How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Very well put.
Very well said.
I don’t agree. Going on strike early shows the workers are serious. If deal 1% as you said , two strikes , very simple process.
Don't make rash generalisations.
I am one of the cohort you describe, over 30 years service, top of my scale, but I am also one of the few on this thread who has been most vocal for those in the lower paid grades and has a long history of union membership (from my first day in the CS).
Remember, those with 20/30 years service are the ones who went through the last recession / FEMPI cuts (up to 14%) and spent the last 15 years clawing it back.
If younger staff want better pay and conditions, they need to join the Unions and strenghten them, because right now is probably the weakest they have ever been.
I’m aware, pay has not even been discussed.
going on strike for a deal makes no sense. The government can simply put forward an awful deal and the claim has been met and (in theory) the strike should be called off.
Going in strike for a specific deal makes sense.
the earliest we can go on strike is late January factoring in the notice period and time to ballot. It’s likely talks will have progressed by then and the mandate for a strike wouldn’t make sense anymore either.
They haven’t put forward a deal.
11% for a 2 year deal with repeal of remaining FEMPI measures, is what would be fair but is what we will not get because many old timers would rather not get out of their office chair because they're already doing grand here 30 odd years on the top of the pay scale.
I’d vote no to striking for that. Government offer 1%, that theoretically ends the strike, they’ve put forward a deal. It’s a very weak claim to strike against imo.
If we are striking, set our stall out and force their hand.
Well currently it is striking because there is no deal.
The last pay-deal extension was a 6.5 per cent increase over 2022 and 2023. Inflation was 8 per cent in 2022, and around 5 per cent for 2023, showing an evident gap that the unions may want backfilled. But unions will also want future assurances on pay increases.
Paragraphs, like this one, are designed to make it look like the employees/unions are extra greedy and is one of the reasons that multi year deals are always politically favourable to the government.
It is not comparing like for like units. Were they wanting to be fair they would have given the 2022 % increase Vs Inflation and then the 2023 % increase Vs Inflation.
All people will see it the 6.5% being slap in the middle of the inflation figures, making it look like a good deal
I would want to know what I’m striking for before I would vote in favour of it. Specifically, what is our claim? What percentage are we looking for?
I see striking without a clearly defined goal as pointless. Striking for “a deal” makes no sense to me. Striking for X% over Y time period makes sense to me.
14 billion given away to social welfare exactly nothing for workers..
I’d vote for strike action. I would accept less than most on here 7/8% over two yrs is good imo. But not even discussing it with the unions, screw that , that’s insulting.
We would all hope it wouldn't come to that... it shouldn't have to come to that - but given the disdain the Government is showing for its own employees is anyone surprised that here we are?
Lets see what the ballots say on 11th January.
Younger staff tend not to join unions. In fact they tend to dislike them. So be it - they can emigrate so. Their choice if they don't want to fight for their pay and conditions.
Paschal Donohoe won't be influenced? A day of national public sector strikes would have him in a panic especially with primary schools closing. He knows though that there are no Mick Lynch's among Irish unions - instead there are bootlicking nonentities "leading" the unions.
I am really not expecting much more then what was done in the last deal.
At least in the civil service the game is rigged in favor of whatever the gov wants.
Majority of staff are still long timers / lifers who where in the job pre recession, if not at the top of their pay scales already and pretty settled in life and would wave in any minimal pay increase.
There isnt enough younger / lower grade staff to outvote the amount of olds.
I'd be happy to participate in industrial action at this point... Government knows they can get away with murder otherwise.
Same old rhetoric - I've been listening to the same thing around C&PS pay since the 80s...
Yet isn't it amazing how they can "afford" to find literally billions for just about everyone and everything else though.
Surely we’ll have a clearer picture by this time next week?
The government let the old deal lapse without a care in the world , didn’t even bother discussing pay with the unions. Jesus it just shows you they have absolutely zero fear of the Unions haha.
There is a reason they have to pay highly, most people would prefer to work somewhere else. Dubai is not too bad, but I wouldn't want to live there. Saudi Arabia, you couldn't pay me enough to live there. Granted it is much worse for the unskilled labour from the sub continent.
The Middle East is not a hardship post if you are a privileged Westerner on an expatriate contract. Now if you are an indentured slave from Bangladesh or Pakistan, you don't want to go near Saudi or the UAE.
The UK also has worse conditions than here. So, the main destination is the middle east, which is a hardship post IMO. This is not open to all teachers of course, there isn't much need for Religion or Irish teachers there. There aren't a lot of great options for teachers to emigrate too. Nurses have quite a few more options and much better working conditions. They are also paid less than teachers here, which isn't the case in other English speaking countries.
Very few are now going to Australia, unless they are prepared to share a bedroom.
The slave economy of Dubai is the main destination, where they can be paid more money off the back of the slaves imported by the Arabs from poor countries like Bangladesh.
Just wondering if there are any other CO on this forum and what would they be willing to accept. I'm point 13 at the moment but still struggling. Although we do have OT in our section which helps. In our office the general vibe with the COs is they will accept whatever is offered ...
https://www.businesspost.ie/news/a-matter-of-urgency-sinn-fein-says-government-must-prioritise-new-public-sector-pay-deal/
Inflation climbs to 3.2% as hopes of imminent ECB rate cut fade (Irish Times)
looks like inflation is on an upward trajectory again - perhaps the unions will be have a stronger case to make after all
Austerity hours, like Croke Park, are still a major issue. Of course pay is still the primary issue and it is just shocking that they allowed the previous deal to lapse and spent a month not talking about pay.
Also reagrding those who don't pay their union fees . . . Well I agree with you.
See you are exactly the type of person I'm talking about, one minute you are completely outraged that the talks hadn't gotten to Pay (you only have to go back one page)- what exactly were they talking about, Pay is all that matters.... - and then you come out with the above.
What colleagues are not given a say? One's who choose not to be a part of the Union? Here's another life lesson Peter, 'decisions have consequences' quite frankly anyone who doesn't pay their Union fees can fcuk right off!
schools in dublin are literally crying out for teachers there are more than some going abroad or in many cases down the country to escape the rent spiral debt trap that is dublin
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