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The vast majority of roads in this country are not national secondary roads (the N51 to N87), they are regional roads (R100 to R999) and local roads (L1000 to L90000+). The regional roads used to have speed limits of 60mph/96.5kph. A reduction to 60kph is unnecessary in the majority of cases, and will greatly increase travel times for anyone that has to commute to work, or otherwise travel any sort of distance in rural Ireland. While limits can be increased at the discretion of the local county council, given the general competence of said county councils, such a provision doesn't inspire much confidence.
I honestly don't see the issue, this is the main changes
Under new laws, speed limits will be lowered to 80kmh on national secondary roads, 60kmh on local and rural roads, and 30kmh in town centres and housing estates.
Having a speed limit of 30km in town centres and housing estates makes perfect sense to me. Even the largest local estate have signs all over it saying children at play and asking people to adhere to a 30kmh speed limit.
That's probably why you are not seeing the backlash
It is interesting to see why you think you need to go fast on any of the roads above?
It's all about enforcement and the government cut the traffic corps numbers in half over the last few years. They think speed vans would replace them but everybody knows where they are. Last year's numbers were bad compared to previous years. For example 2018 had 138 deaths, 2019 had 140 but 2023 spiked to 184. It's rising again. 2021 was 130 but that is probably down to Covid.
I'm surprised there isn't more backlash so far about the government's genius plan to lower the speed limits of many roads:
As we all know, Irish people are famous for following rules, and definitely wouldn't ignore speed limits when it suits, as they do now. For all the discussion about the unfortunate increase in road deaths last year, at 184, they're quite low by historical standards:
It's the exact same number of people killed on our roads in 1931, and well under the 415 killed on our roads in 2000, for a more recent comparison. Even going back a decade, there were 190 people killed on our roads in 2013, and our population has increased approximately 13% since then.
So you do respond but only to the posts where you have a chance of being correct or where there is no data to prove a bland statement? Any comment on the progress of the LDA? You made the erroneous point so try to back it up.
No it wasn't "shot out of the water".
The point of boards is light entertainment. Nobody has to respond to little keyboard warrior if they choose not to.
Dishonest posting 😂
Delusions of grandeur is best description
13,179 people are homeless according to a google. We had a population of just over 5m people in 2021. Would be more now.
So that is below 0.3% of the population. Too high of course.
So the best plan you can come up with is to drive more people onto the street. Everyone deserves a home, not just people with children. That just my opinion.
Anyway you have gone to the ridiculous now so I will leave you at that. The cement levy is introduced because it was the construction industry who was at fault. Same before with insurance levy etc.
So you had no response then. Your argument about state building was shot out of the water. Not the first time caught out eh, is that your point? I make no apologies for taking exception to dishonest posting.
Sorry to disabuse you but people are already on the streets. The issue is who is most and least deserving of housing and who is most and least deserving to be sleeping on the streets.
I would contend the people who should be on the streets are those who went nuts in the naughties, borrowing too much and later defaulting for years on end.
The people who deserve housing are those who were school children at the time but cannot afford to buy into our rigged housing market.
So you want to bankrupt the country and leave people sitting on the street. Good for you. I doubt you will get much support from anyone else.
Not sure how to post from previous pages but you posted this
You are being dishonest when you say that what Mary Lou said is "nearly the same thing" as what the FF councillors were saying. I will never vote SF but I take exception to your dishonest posting.
So no thanks
Exactly! It would have happened anyway had the government not interfered following the 2008 credit crunch.
@Clo-Clo Do you stand corrected?
You have a pretty spectacular record of being driven out of every thread you post on for making really low quality posts, completely lacking in real life understanding, as WishUWereHere half mentioned. Its not condescending when people point this out, they're just observing the facts. ps200306's post here from yesterday is a great example: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121559074/#Comment_121559074
You'd be rather better off spending your time on wikipedia (at the least, as an intro) educating yourself on Irish politics instead of posting wacky ignorant opinions all over the place and than replying angrily to everyone who corrects you accusing them of being mean to you.
Thank you for telling me you won't bother with me anymore.
FYI I was trying to be nice to ask you to use the thread the post was actually on. It wasn't a question. It was been polite.
Why are you going on about what you are not allowed to say?
Maybe I have this wrong, but you want to tax existing housing stock to drive the price of the houses down? forcing hundreds of thousands of people to default on mortgages and out of their homes?
I am not allowed to say that existing housing stock has been deliberately inflated by 200 billion euro since 2009, when the market was trying to correct itself, so I won't say that.
Nor will I point out that taxing existing housing stock to the tune of 200 billion euro to undo that manipulation is the correct course of action.
What I will say is should the economy hit the rocks, the government will have three choices:
1) Go on another borrowing binge, but the interest rates are likely to be high and if the ECB facilitated such a policy, the Euro would devalue.
2) Cut spending. This would mean state employees would have trouble with their mortgages and the banks would be impacted.
3) increase taxes. But on what? VAT in an inflationary environment? Labour in a recession. Or as I recommend, property so the correction of 2009 may resume what it was trying to correct.
Why do you finish (almost )every post with a question?
You know what You said, you are the person who made the comment above. I’m not going to bother anymore.
Why don't you go and ask on the thread the discussion was on? quoting the actual post I made while you are at it. 👍️
No it's not but anyway.
So you don't want to tax new houses but tax existing houses? who are already paying taxes like LPT etc? plus house insurance and the insurance levy on that etc?
People who are already paying mortgages and struggling with bills etc should take on another tax.
I was involved in the other thread. You made the assumption I checked You on it by informing you not everyone who is anti green is pro SF.
So, imho, You made that assumption then come up with the above to me you had to be reminded.
Maybe You can explain what inspired you to make the original assumption?
Condescending post, I wouldn't have expected anything less.
So you can't answer the question. I didn't expect you could in the first place.
FYI small point, if you knew anything about construction you would know that moving people from commercial to housing won't work as they have a different skill. Steel workers, shuttering etc.
Will leave it at that, I'm sure you are busy on other threads been a hard person from behind the keyboard
Do you know what an analogy is. It is something different to what you are talking about. The Gardai fit the bill perfectly. Pun intended.
I did answer the question. I said tax existing housing stock instead.
The government is only doing it this way to further inflate house prices. If they really wanted the cement industry to pay, they would have seized and sold their assets to the amount required.
It made no sense to bring the Gardai into the discussion and still make none now. It is a totally different scenario and has nothing in common. Maybe if you brought up pyrite or something in construction. Strange to attack the Gardai over construction
Anyway, lots of posts on this but you still didn't answer the first question I asked when you posted, what was the alternative? the construction industry caused the issue so it makes sense for that industry to pay for the repairs?
Different thread about a different topic and was nothing about trying to belittle a poster.
Honestly no idea how you got that from the post on the other thread or why you think it is relevant to this discussion?Especailly when the poster is telling me to "educate yourself" and "absolutely no comprehension of?"
Maybe you can explain why you decided to pull that up from another thread?
My stated position is that the state needs to stop wasting billions of tax payer euros on demand side interventions like HAP, and instead re-engage in large scale building of social and affordable housing on the supply side as it did for most of our history since independence.
Its a very coherent, clearly stated position, that anyone who understands the Irish housing market at even a basic level would understand. I do apologise if you aren't able to understand what it means, but thats not my fault - and nor is this thread the place to have very basic concepts like the above further broken down to you. Which is why I suggested you educate yourself further on the matter before making posts about it. Its not an effort to belittle you, its just an empirical observation of ignorance and resulting statement of fact.
Its been laid out multiple times in this thread (by myself and others) how exactly this can be achieved - building instead of leasing, widescale training of more apprentices, diverting of construction resources from commercial projects to housing, importation/boomerang migration of construction workers etc. The fact our current government is doing none of these things, many years into the housing crisis, and is now giving best case scenarios of us producing 10-20,000 fewer homes than are needed per year for years to come, shows only gross incompetence.
You are the very person who said in words to the effect of ‘most of those on here who are anti green are SF supporters’, or something similar.
You were making assumptions & trying to belittle posters making that statement.
Yes I think the cement people who messed up should have had insurance against their incompetence but they didn't and somehow or other it is now to be paid for by people who buy houses that get built from now on. The government has spoken.
As for the Gardai, I used them as an analogy. If you read the full post instead of stopping at the word Gardai, you would have known that.
Taxing labour because the Gardai were faking breathalyser tests is about as logical and fair as the cement levy, so to answer that question, no I don't. It was an analogy to illustrate a foolish decision by the government.
Can only but agree with You. Also what I found very slow to react was MLMcD took her time to denounce the terrible tragedy in Parnell Square, especially as it’s on her own patch.
Let me lay it out for you with one example from the Housing "Plan"
This time last year
Government housing body has not built one house on state lands | Business Post
The Land Development Agency (LDA), which was set up by the government four years ago to accelerate the construction of housing, has built no homes on state lands, new figures show.
Previously unreleased details of the state agency’s activity under Project Tosaigh, its flagship programme, show that it has delivered just 270 homes, all of which were acquired from some of the biggest developers in the country rather than built by the agency itself.
The LDA was established in September 2018 with a €1.25 billion capital budget to expedite the construction of 150,000 homes over 20 years on state lands. At the time, the government said sites had already been earmarked for 10,000 homes.
4 years = Nothing. Then in a bit of a panic around the LDA's utter failure we got all kinds of kites flow about an even bigger budget but a lot of those kites were rubbish...
‘We don’t know where the €6bn is coming from’ – confusion over Darragh O’Brien’s budget plans | Business Post
‘We don’t know where the €6bn is coming from’ – confusion over Darragh O’Brien’s budget plans
A fortnight after his budget day announcement, the Land Development Agency ‘capitalisation’ figure touted by housing minister seems to have dissipated into the woodwork.
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Typical FG/FF planning.
Oh did I mention the Childrens Hospital which has no completion date or final cost yet. 7 years late, 7 times over budget. Nice work.
