How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425200/#Comment_121425200
"An inch past the absolute bare minimum" is all we ever get WITH unions. In fact we get worse, quite frankly.
At the end of the day the deal will probably be between 5 and 7 % when it is eventually trashed out. No deal should be done while FEMPI still applies as we are literally being blatantly robbed of money by the government. Might be a good time for some serious industrial action if FEMPI is not removed.
The prices in my local restaurant went up Christmas week. Everything going up from pints to food to clothing. Contrary to reports inflation is not coming down.
and not just going up by a little bit either more than likely
Many public servants are excluded from the Industrial relations acts
Civil servants for example can only use the WRC for equality issues and not other workplace issues (also cannot go to the Labour Court). They must use a separate arbitration scheme established by the State
How exactly is that contrary to reports? Inflation is still positive. What do you expect to happen?
Reports said that Inflation was dropping. It's not.
When inflation decreases, prices continue to rise once it's still a positive number. You understand that?
Your example proves nothing. It's a single data point.
Any inflation means prices rise. Inflation is just the pace with which the rise happens.
Deflation is required for prices to drop. This rarely happens.
Annual deflation of 2% or more (ie: inflation < -2%) has only occurred something like 5 times in Ireland since 1960.
The rate of inflation is falling, thankfully.
Varadkar: 'Decent gap' needed between dole and minimum wage payments
The Taoiseach says social welfare rates will continue increase with the cost-of-living – as long as the country can afford it.
https://www.newstalk.com/news/varadkar-decent-gap-needed-between-dole-and-minimum-wage-payments-1627220
sounds like the government are planning more rises after next years increase in social welfare (5.45+%) and minimum wage (12.8%) to keep a "decent gap" between them
i'm sure its only fair that workers in other grades will look for the government to maintain their "decent gap" as well....
I'm at an honest loss as to how amateur the unions are. Anything under 8% for a one year deal and I am dropping out. They are showing themselves to be incompetent
Devil's advocate here, but when staff are openly stating they'd be quite happy to settle for 5%-6% (and whatsmore try to say that it would be a good deal), why would the unions spend hours at the table trying to argue for more?
They're damned if the do, and damned if they don't, at this point.
Because they'll have much more info, from a real representative sample, from their surveys as opposed to random internet commentators.
I also don't trust the posters who seem to be shilling
90% of members voted for the last deal. The unions are only as strong as their members. Isn't that the best dataset they have?
I may be wrong on this but was it not 90% of the union members who voted rather than 90% of members? Can't find the figures so open to correction
Last deal was advertised and voted on as a stopgap deal to get us to this point. No matter that it's proven to be what some of warned, a device to temper expectations, it was only ever a 1 year deal tacked onto an existing framework
Hopefully.
We can also hope no one from DPER or the Unions are reading this thread, but I doubt it!
By members, I was referring to union members. Nobody else gets a vote.
Union members are the only ones to get a vote on the new deal as well.
What other real data do they have? How was it "tacked on"? They activated a mandatory renegotiation clause and agreed an extension that 90% of members were happy with. That doesn't sound particularly amateur to me. Most people liked the deal.
IMO, the only amateur thing they've done so far is say they have not talked about pay yet. Just stay quiet.
In the case of Fórsa:
The Fórsa ballot result was as follows:
Votes cast: 47,250 (67% turnout)
Votes cast against: 4,117 (8.7%)
Votes cast in favour: 43,133 (91.3%)
For the GRA “accepted the proposed National Pay Agreement under Building Momentum, with more than 90% acceptance”
Primary-level union the Irish National Teachers’ Organisation (INTO) – the country's largest teachers' union – said 80 per cent of its members voted to accept it, while 85 per cent of the membership of the post-primary Teachers' Union of Ireland (TUI) backed the deal.
Whatever way it’s interpreted the deal was very well received by the various unions. I think the price hikes are really hitting home now, so a similar deal might not be as well received this time around.
Yeah. It was always promoted as a stop gap.
This year tells all
They've surveyed their membership. That's just a bit more "real" than some contrarians on boards.ie
They advertised it, repeatedly, as a stop gap to sell it.
They should have been tearing into negotiations, based on last year's commitments.
Amateur hour is getting this far an we all still completely in the dark
Great- thanks for that so tbf it was 60% of union membership that passed it, not 90%.
The survey for SIPTU was effectively “state what’s important” and I clicked pay. I am not sure what insight that data offers.
I have zero communication from SIPTU that the previous extension was a “stop gap” (or any equivalent language).
The last deal was voted through with 90% approval. That’s the most important dataset for the negotiations surely seeing as it’s the one the government know about too?
Impossible to negotiate with the government until they agree to sit down. Unions didn’t really have many other options but to wait. Having 11 meetings and not discussing pay seems odd but I’ll wait on the new deal to be published before calling them amateurs. I’ll actually give them a chance to do their job.
Ah like the non voters I would really count no?
11 meetings and no mention of PAY?
What exactly were they talking about?
Quite frankly these discussions should be recorded live over the net so we can hear what's going on. After all we pay for these guys to represent us and they appear to be doing sweet FA.
The discussions obviously should not be live-streamed.
This thread has me very worried about the calibre and intelligence of the people we appear to have working in our public services, and I say that as one myself!
When you're looking at €20+ now for a fish and chips in most cafes and restaurants! (Wtf), we need a very strong percentage increase. No less than 8-9%.
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