Israel/Palestine Thread

Yes, Islamic Terrorism is travelling the world!

Latest example:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/europol-director-islamist-terrorism-remains-biggest-terror-threat/story?id=104100812

Back at that time, there were lots of "Tunnel Vision" as they say!! And since the capture / surrender of many Palestinians both Hamas and civilians, inc. medical staff it has emerged that Hamas did indeed use the tunnel underneath the hospital, but that all medical staff were forced to deny it during TV interviews. Hamas then did a major clean up job when it was clear that the IDF would soon take control of the Hospital and the tunnels underneath. Yes, flooding the tunnels has started awhile back, but it's estimated that the job to completely flood them all will take several months. Have hostages being killed in the tunnels because of flooding? I'm not too sure at this point, because Hamas would have plenty of escape points built in. But with the bombings? Yes, I'd say that many have been killed in the tunnels by the bombs, Hamas and Hostages alike. Whatever warning they would have with the flooding, there would be no such warnings with the bombs....one minute you are sitting in the tunnel and split seconds later, the whole tunnel collapses around you.

To be fair Israel is in a completely different position to any other country.

They uniquely represent a people that was practically forced into extinction (in an abhorrent,open ,calculating and recent way that made monsters of all who did not combat it directly)

I cannot see that they will allow next nor near any repeat of those events without dragging down a multitude of enemies

If their neighbours cannot see that then I pity them (and us too most likely)

The quote goes "Do not go gentle into that good night"

The point was, countries all around them are threatening Israel and many openly state the country shouldn't even exist. Some are already launching rockets at them. But according to that poster, Israel saying they will retaliate if they are attacked is "terrorist" behaviour and they need to be stopped. What about the ones attacking them being stopped? Nothing about that. What other country is expected to sit there while they are attacked by other governments who want them annihilated and do nothing?

"If Israel had responded with a one week blitzkrieg against Hamas targets in Gaza, people could have argued that was a proportionate response"

Gosh that would have shown them.

Hamas wouldn't have known what hit them.

I don't think that 8k would be part of the figures Gaza (Hamas) announces.

"I doubt Israel's neighbours could care less about anyone's pity."

A strange breed if true.

With regards to Israeli public knowledge of what is really going on in Gaza, I saw this interesting comment from an (Israeli) reader of Haaretz under one of their articles:

"The point is, although I haven't seen surveys that show exactly how many people know (*about the large numbers of Gazan civilians who are dying), but if I had to guess, I would say that the absolute majority is exposed to it. The problem is that when you show such things, the reaction is usually, either they deserve it or you just have to kill them all and save the mess. The vast majority of Israelis either do not care about the Gazans or they think that they are all guilty and deserve to die. This is the new Israel and whether you like it or not, you have to face reality."

We're into the scenario of Israel doing what it is doing in Gaza, but with the full knowledge or even strong approval of its own public. This is ominous, as it suggests Netanyahu's plan to destroy Gaza and / or ethnically cleanse the place may well come to pass.

Depends on the level of oppression etc. Many of the videos etc of Gaza posted by Gazans themselves showed a happy scene completely at odds with the narrative of an open air prison.

Besides perhaps you meant oppression by Hamas? If you don’t mean this then perhaps you should consider it as a factor. Consider the vast sums wasted on tunnels alone. Surely, even for you, this constitutes “oppression “?

In any event I don’t think I can conceive of a scenario where “fighting back” means deliberately killing kids and burning people in their homes after tying them together etc.