How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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When inflation decreases, prices continue to rise once it's still a positive number. You understand that?
Your example proves nothing. It's a single data point.
Reports said that Inflation was dropping. It's not.
How exactly is that contrary to reports? Inflation is still positive. What do you expect to happen?
Many public servants are excluded from the Industrial relations acts
Civil servants for example can only use the WRC for equality issues and not other workplace issues (also cannot go to the Labour Court). They must use a separate arbitration scheme established by the State
and not just going up by a little bit either more than likely
The prices in my local restaurant went up Christmas week. Everything going up from pints to food to clothing. Contrary to reports inflation is not coming down.
At the end of the day the deal will probably be between 5 and 7 % when it is eventually trashed out. No deal should be done while FEMPI still applies as we are literally being blatantly robbed of money by the government. Might be a good time for some serious industrial action if FEMPI is not removed.
"An inch past the absolute bare minimum" is all we ever get WITH unions. In fact we get worse, quite frankly.
100%.
Shop steward lol. The 1980s were 40 year ago.
This is no surprise, and Supermacs won't be the only ones increasing their prices.
Expect to see a lot more doing the same.
Nope, they deal with loads of stuff but typically you have to have tried sorting sh1t out on your own or with the Unions help first. Not sure why people think the PS/CS can't use it as I have heard of several people using it for various things.
A one day strike by primary teachers would cause more disruption than an alien invasion. They are the countries largest babysitting service.
‘Our prices will have to go up’ – Supermac’s boss Pat McDonagh to charge more at restaurants following 12.8% minimum wage hike
The change will affect more than 118,000 workers. It is expected to have a ripple effect on higher-paid employees.
It’s the combination of everything that’s going to add 10pc to the costs overall.
“A lot are paying 20pc of their wages on accommodation. Our prices will have to go up.
I'm no expert on this but AFAIK the WRC is only available for equality cases.
He didn't appoint himself to that position. People don't bother their hole going to AGMs and then whinge about the outcomes.
Can you expand on which procedures you're referring to please?
Some of the union members in my place were talking strike action during the week based on no movement in the talks.
He was our union rep and the only one the union would actually talk to. Any grievances or problems or questions - they all had to go through him.
Unions are far from perfect, but would anyone really truly trust DPER and the government to give them anything an inch past the absolute bare minimum if we had no representation? If anyone really believes that they must've never held a job outside of the CS/PS or are POs and up that've forgotten the real world.
Your shop steward?
Who gives a flying f**k what they think?
...because I refuse to join any union after the union rep in my old department openly said to the entire group that our discipline was overpaid. HIS wasn't but OURS was. Couldn't get the votes to remove him from his position.
The unions exist to serve the unions, not to serve the workers.
the Unions will get to those issues after the first 20 or 25 meetings I'd say.
the unions would want to crack on and focus on serious anti-cost of living deal for members
there have been rampant changes to everyday prices e.g. price of basic food staples like milk - 1 litre has increased from 0.75 to 1.05 a 40% increase
workers are being savaged in the shops the last 2-3 years and wages have not kept up
If I was thick enuf to have 11 meetings with my boss or hr before I asked about pay, then ya I could do that. I pay for a service, if the service is like the unions offer (total incompetence) then I won't pay for a service.
Bear in mind that civil servants still don't have full access to the industrial relations procedures private sector and semi-state workers do. This was promised a couple of pay deals back.
The bottom line is they didn't touch on the topic and decided to push gor sectoral bargaining. Which provide more power to them. In addition what else could they have talked about other than pay? 20 odd hours of nothing they should be pushing hard to hammer into pay and yes go in with a landed revolver as its the only weapon they actually have and the Gov know this.
The only weapon as a union member I have is the threat to pill membership and its no sweat off my back using it. They need to up the game if they want members.
It in everyone's interest that this deal is struck.
I am in a union but its crazy to compare going on a strike today as opposed to going on strike for months in the past.....different times, different cost of living, higher bills, higher food cost etc etc.....been militant is grand but it aint gonna pay the bills....
Our last pay rise was awful but yet the unions pushed for it......
I'm far from over-enamored with the unions but in (slight) defense of their negotiation strategy:
By agreeing the easy wins first, you start to build a deal that becomes hard to walk away from. All the easy wins are tied to getting the more difficult parts over the line. Having these agreed early provides extra impetus to reach a final deal.
The pay increase is clearly the sticking point on this deal, so it was always likely to be addressed last.
What is frustrting is how long it took them to get to this stage and the apparent surprise at the distance between their positions.
This is just nonsense but it underlines the weakness of the unions in Ireland.
"I won't go on strike as I'll lose a day's pay" - FFS people went for months on strike in the past and the current generation of snowflakes cannot handle a day. Look at what happened in the UK with the rail companies who took on the nastiest of tory governments (arguably nastier than Thatcher's). They got a backdated pay rise of 5% and guarantees to protect their jobs with government climb downs.
What did we in the public sector get in 2023, a year of rampant inflation?
A 2% pay rise in March and 1.5% pay rise in October. This represents a 2.04% pay increase for the entirety of 2023. We all took massive real terms pay cuts, are getting much poorer, still doing austerity unpaid work hours and yet some still moan about striking.
Honestly if you whinge about striking then don't bother join a union.
What benefits can the Union get that doesn't benefit their members?
I am making an assumption here that they mainly talked about the unwinding of FEMPI which they stated was a requirement for a multi year deal. Sectoral bargaining would be a big win and enable teachers, nurses, IT grades etc. go an negotiate for new scales etc. That benefits the members (albeit, not me).
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