How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Sarn did the maths above, and as far as I know, €1020 is still less than €1323.
So , the lower paid still don't take home more from their increase into their hand, which is what you implied when you moaned about your purchasing power.
So please spare me the bullshit.
This is the typical tone of the pro industrial action crowd. Shout anyone down who has a differing opinion.
You are correct though. 1020 is less than 1323.
A 5% increase on my current salary is a rise. Not a pay cut. Some here don't seem to get that either.
Christ, you are horrendous at math. They take home a larger %. This isn't hard to understand. Give it a **** rest would ya instead of filling the thread with your shite.
That's not what they said. They specifically said that the net % is higher, which it is.
well it’s clear you don’t understand primary school maths, if you want a lesson, I’ve a few books I can loan you. Percentages can be tough for some people.
Yup.
I'm sure it doesn't come up what percentage you want to take out of your account when you go to an ATM, or you pay your grocery bill in percentages. What matters is take home.
The fact that some here would begrudge the lower paid getting a bit more than them, when they already have more in the first place, is what disgusts me.
Imagine being so mean that you'd object to a minimum amount like "X% or a minimum of €750" being set because the lower paid would benefit more.
Your personal insults are water of a ducks back to me, Bren - I'm used to you throwing them at this stage.
And you can dress it up however you like, but I know exactly what you really meant when you started moaning about your "purchasing power" versus that of the lower paid.
Meanness and begrudgery in a person is despicable to me.
And yet, the headline figure on the deal will be a percentage and not a euro amount.
And it still comes down to cold hard cash in pockets to pay the bills.
I think you’ve derailed the thread enough. Someone on a higher wage is going to end up getting more cash in hand, that’s not surprising. I earn more but no reason my quality of life should be eroded more because I earn more
I received the following from SIPTU earlier: “Members of the ICTU Public Service Commitee are hopeful that in the next round of talks on Monday morning, (18th December), the opportunity will present to make genuine progress on finalising a proposal on wages, work, and a new way forward before the Christmas period. “
A deal next week seems unlikely to me but the Unions are communicating they’re hopeful of it.
Yes I agree. While the other aspects are important they appear to be getting bogged down in issues which can be dealt with later. Pay rises should be at the forefront.
More frustrating than the bickering is the apparent inability for some to comprehend the impact of time, nominal versus real wages and lower inflation still being inflation. Maybe in addition to surveys the union could communicate to educate on these points for the benefit of the collective, instead of just recommending acceptance of a deal half the rate of inflation.
A 5% rise after 8% inflation is a pay cut. Some here don't seem to get that either.
Please tell me how you intend to decentralise Gardai , teachers , nurses and firemen . They generally operate where they are required most in highly populated areas not where it suits the government to position them
Christ almighty.
The civil service is a meritocracy. Those who are prepared to work hard and study hard will advance in their careers. Those who are content to do 'just enough' will stay where they are.
We are not going to enter some Stalinist nightmare where we all call each other Comrade and earn the same regardless of responsibility or duties.
The poster has no concept of a career. Bizzare.
But but but the number is bigger.
Those Italians suffered an awful pay cut when they joined the euro, no longer earning millions of lira 😉
This has nothing to do with promotions and I never said anything about everyone earning the same.
I stand by what I've said, that if we got a deal like the one the Germans did, I'd accept that.
But there are some here who literally take offence and can't bare the thought of someone on lower pay getting a little extra help, even when it's known that inflation and the cost of living crisis hits the lower paid harder. It's pure begrudgery.
Nothing is going to shift my opinion on that, no matter how many insults are thrown at me.
You’ve shown a complete inability to actually listen to what anyone else is saying.
Theres zero begrudgery or offence. I simply disagree with it. My opinion is that the tax system in Ireland decides how money is distributed. That what you propose squeezes the middle.
Plenty on here agree with you. Most I would say. None of them argue it like you do tho.
5 percent of 65000 is 3250.
If i were to get a 5 percent increase it would bring my pay to 68250. Is that not an increase?
You can talk about inflation all you want but pay will never match that. It wont happen. Its basic economics mate. Putting too much money into peoples pockets will only increase inflation. Hence why interests on loans are going through the roof. Its inflation tackling 101.
Do you honestly not understand real wage growth v nominal wage growth?
The word “effective” in effective pay cut is doing a lot of work. You are ignoring the word effective.
Theres no reason for our wages not to match inflation over a long enough period of time. As someone working in the public sector, my role isn’t to balance inflation or the economy. The government has many other levers to tackle inflation, it’s also falling rapidly weakening your argument. It’s under control.
you are right guesser
giving people a 3% nominal pre deductions pay rise (about 1% after paye,usc,prsi, asc) when inflation has been running at 5% i.e. a minus 4% in the hand "pay rise" in real terms should help fight inflation
but there is only so long an employer gets away with eroding their workers terms and conditions while at the same time hiking minimum wages by 12.8% for private employers to pay and giving away 14 billion to other sectors
You could always make a few bob on the side doing stand up comedy, you're a natural!
Cheers
Tesco Ireland workers to get a minimum average 4% increase in hourly pay
Tesco said the €16m investment in pay will also see the annual pay award coming into effect three months early, with staff getting an additional earnings increment of about 1%.
"We're also mindful that providing certainty on pay for colleagues, as they budget for the new calendar year, is important to everyone,"
Inflation is driven by external factors, mostly energy, punishing workers is not the answer. If the private sector can match (or beat) inflation there's no reason for the government to cut its employees' wages in real terms when it's running massive budget surpluses.
Give over with this "is that not an increase" crap. No it's not an increase, the number got bigger but the value of that amount of money went down.
It's not an increase when your extra salary is outweighed by increases in rent, fuel, groceries. It's just less of a decrease.
Many Departments won’t actually pay the mileage, they’ll only give you the price of public transport.
Anyway my guess is a 18 month deal (to get us through the next election) and a 7.5% increase with a minimum increase for lower earners.
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