How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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6-8% over 2-3 years! You must be trolling, that would be rejected overwhelmingly
Was something very similar noted accepted with over 90% of the vote? I dont think they are trolling.
Lads who spend half the day on boards, myself included sometimes cant really be that fussy or demanding when it comes to pay in my opinion......
Inflation slows to 3.9% in November from 5.1% in October - CSO
This marks the first time since September 2021 that the annual rate has been less than 5%.
..services continue to increase in price with hairdressing up on an annual basis by 7.7% while health insurance is up 10.2% and home insurance is up just over 11%.
The thing about that is, you never know anyone else's schedule or when someone is on leave, so its actually really stupid to make assumptions or cast aspersions on anyone based on their posting history. .
Yeah, I used to use that line as well.
Well, let us know when you have anything to contribute to the thread that isn't just you trying to be petty.
I've added plenty realism to the thread.
most people get a break in work every 2 hours
http://forsatradeunion.newsweaver.com/designtest/1j0is89poss
Looks like the union are trying to get a deal done before the start of the New Year.
Around coffee this morning the general consensus seems to be that people will take anything over 5 percent. That was 2 co's a heo and an ap.
I'd imagine the govt. and union no full well that people won't vote for industrial action so that could push a deal through quicker.
5% over what time period?
5% over 1 year maybe. 2 or 3 years absolutely not a chance.
2 years.
That would be atrocious.
I'm just giving anecdotal info. I don' think it would be atrocious. Wouldn't be good either though. I'd be happy with 6 over two years myself.
Everyone has different circumstances. two of the Co's are are married and husbands would have decent incomes whereas the HEO is married but with a single income.
Serious question for those saying they'd vote for a deal that copperfastens a real-term pay decrease:
How low would the government offer have to be before you'd vote against it?
Anything under 5 percent.
It's not a decrease though. If I get a percent increase I get more money. Hence it is an increase. When inflation slows and if prices come down would you be happy to hand back an increase that was given based on inflation?
Can you really not wrap your head around real v nominal wage growth?
A nominal pay increase can be a decrease in real wages e.g.
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F0fvag67nt86c1.png
I explicitly said *real-term pay decrease* - salaries can purchase less than they used to due to below inflation pay increases.
Prices don't come down if inflation slows, they continue to increase at a slower rate.
If there was deflation with price decreases, I wouldn't vote to hand back the increase. I'm aware I'm in a minority, but I'd never vote for any deal that means a decline in my living standards.
Nobody would vote for pay decreases. Why would you vote to make yourself poorer?
Deflation is rare and the economy would be in a pretty bad spot if it happened we likely wouldn't have a choice, the government would just cut our pay.
90% of people voted for the last deal which resulted in real-terms pay decreases.
Im referring to "If there was deflation with price decreases, I wouldn't vote to hand back the increase. I'm aware I'm in a minority, but I'd never vote for any deal that means a decline in my living standards."
Nobody would vote for that.
Dunno, some people on this thread. lol.
5% over 1 year or 10 over two would be decent. I think people hate the piddly 1.5% increases and stuff tho. 5 added in each Jan and talk again at end of 2025
8% over 2 years at the bare minimum, no 3 year deal and definitely not something as worthless as 5% which is essentially agreeing into a real pay cut at a time where revenue isn't low.
Dunnes staff have been awarded 6% payrise. Had received 8% last December.
I would be shocked if there was a 3 year deal. Don’t see the appetite from either side for that, for the unions it ties them in too long. For the gov it gives a higher headline figure.
I haven't seen any comments or press releases from the AHCPS about the pay talks and I'd be interested to know their position.
Public sector workers on different grades / salaries are bound to have different expectations / hopes. Some of the differences of opinion in the thread probably relate to what a % rise will mean in net salary terms and quality of life for posters.
A 5% increase over 18 months for a Clerical Officer trying to live in Dublin v an Assistant Secretary who is well established and well paid will mean different things.
I would like to see some form of graded increases, with lower paid workers (however that is defined) getting a higher increase. As someone who is relatively well paid in the wider public service a couple of percent here or there doesn't make much of a difference to me. I'd rather see that spend targeted and senior grades to get a lower increase. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a 10% increase, but I really can't see that happening. I think we're probably looking at an offer of around 6% over 18 months with a degree of backdating to give rise to a lump sum payment. With an election in March 2025 the government wont want any agreement coming to an end just before the election nor will they want pay talks happening around that time. if they can delay this process into Jan - Feb 2024 then that would probably suit them.
I'd also like to see the start of a discussion of a Dublin allowance, but that's a pipe dream at the minute.
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