I wonder how this will work out for him
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Agree completely about the changing attitudes.
In my sons wider peer group several people have come out at varying stages from ages 16/17 to today (he's now almost 24) and for all the reaction or change in attitude that arose they might as well have been announcing that they didn't like brussels sprouts.
It's just not a "thing" , certainly not the way it might have been when I was a similar age 30+ years ago..
And that's wonderful.
Schools for the most part, have changed. There's way more acceptance of LGBT kids and neuro-diversity than there was in my secondary school days (mid 90's).
My brother in law came out in 4th year, through Facebook during the gay matriage referendum. We were all worried for him, but we needn't have been. His school was great and supportive and he was one of the more popular lads in his school. I was surprised as this was a country school with a heavy emphasis on the GAA.
It's wonderful to see that acceptance programs are working and getting through to people. Even my mother in law, who has generally poo-pooed mental health and "modern illnesses", now regularly talks about ADHD, dyspraxia, autism, trans-genderism etc. She understands that the more awareness and research done on these, will lead to an increas of the numbers of people discovering them and being diagnosed.
This is something worth reminding of. Burke's ... total obstinate position came down to an antagonism towards a single student whose request was so trivial in the grand scheme of things (IIRC it was only the neutral "they" n all, hardly scandalous - and that's speaking as a non-binary sceptic). When would a teacher even need to refer to a student in the 3rd person in their orbit anyway?
The victim in all this was the kid. Not Burke.
A kid whose life probably became 10 times more horrible by dint of a hypocritical "Christian" whose supposed love based religion couldn't throw a teen a bone. God knows the runway all this gave to the bullies and shítheads of that school. Being a teenager was a minefield of emotion and struggle for most us - couldn't imagine doing it while grappling with your physical sense of self.
Users says no debate going on here, but when challenged to debate, leaves.
I'm sure they'll be back again to complain about no debate happening.
Maybe there's no debate, because Burke's position is actually undefendable?
I'm a grammar pirate.
"Captain, the sails be up!"
"Areeeee!!... The sails ARRRRE up...."
I'm not a grammar nazi, I'm a commanist.
Ah yes, the "can I spew my bigoted populist bullshit without looking a religious nut job?" dilemma.
Answer - doesn't matter: they're equally ignorant and unscientific.
Not as boring as the "I don't agree with him (I really do, but am far too embarrassed about my views to say that) but support him because he's standing up for his beliefs" ones.
Only if you can come up on a new mad conspiracy theory to justify it all, the usual ones are becoming boring.
There are Christians who disapprove of Mary being elevated to the level that she is in the Catholic church. So no rosaries in the Burke household...
Not sure that evangelical protestants say the rosary, probably speaking in tongues and screaming about belzebub.
Right as in correct or right as in wing?
There's a difference between righteous and right, which Ireland learned through hard experience where it comes to religiously dogmatic persons seeking to influence the nation through use of "the good word". Ireland is not minded to go through the hoops again just because the Burke family want to **** it over again.
Can I do the post next time it's time for someone to say it's all about beliefs? Then you can all reply saying it's not. Good craic like.
Good call…. Need Baggy Trousers on the case.,,
I would have thought the rosary was a bit catholic for them.
Certain former colleagues at her last employer might beg to differ
So you think the rosary is said regularly in the Burke's house? Might be time to do a bit of research...
Ammi has been raised right
I think the family are stubborn enough that it actually will
Creepy as ever
The reason is Enoch is in jail in the joy, is one reason and one reason only the twat choose to put himself there and won’t be out till he decides he wants out and acts like a normal human in court, like not shouting and roaring at a judge and show a little respect for the law of the land like most citizens in this state do, even the drug dealers and other criminals do.
It's genuinely so hard to tell anymore!!! :-)
It looks as though you may need to get your irony detector re-calibrated. 🙄
For people saying that he's protesting through going to prison, you know he doesn't have to?
He's in prison because he was disrupting a school with his protest. It's the same as if he'd done it in a hospital and was disrupting doctors.
He could protest outside the GPO, he could do it at the Dail. He could do it almost anywhere. He's not in prison because he's protesting. He's in prison because he will only protest in a school.
In that case I wonder if the rest of the family would have settled down if Mammy had been thrown in jail?
for a simple chap who has, through no fault of his own, found himself in a small bit of legal strife.
It is absolutely categorically 100% all his own fault.
His behaviour from day one is the sole source of his current legal position.
Perhaps a 3rd party told him to stand up at that School Church Service and scream at his boss , but if so , he still listened to them and did it.
I suspect that the legal advice that he's getting from a high profile solicitor (currently unemployed) and a trainee solicitor may not be the most helpful for a simple chap who has, through no fault of his own, found himself in a small bit of legal strife.
Hopefully, one day soon, the Holy Spirit will descend upon him and he will come to his senses. Fingers crossed.
But the point is, that by his actions he is ensuring that his "beliefs" never get discussed properly , his legal rights as regards his ability to "comply" with his religion etc. are never ever going to get discussed.
If he'd gone through the available dispute resolution process then they absolutely would have been.
His ACTIONS have made it all about his inability to acknowledge the courts and his employers disciplinary process.
If his goal is to further the rights and position of his religious views , he has f*cked that up beyond all recovery.
Can we pin that he is not in prison because of his beliefs, he is in there because of his behaviour and actions in the workplace.
He can and should be ridiculed for that, because they are the actions of a petulant child, not an adult. The whole family has a reputation for being like this, that again is not to be given credit for, how anyone can say that is laughable.
There is a loud majority because it is a pretty one sided debate. He isn't in jail because he believes in something, he is in jail because he did something. Simply purging that will get him out of prison, but he is playing the dumb martyr and staying in there.
Credit my arse.
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