How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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There are some people who have an inability to work, that doesn't mean they are either ill or have a chronic health condition.
If you can't or won't work, but you are not ill or have a chronic health condition, why should you get anything?
Wrong. Up to 14% as part of benchmarking, which I advised you earlier when you asked but never acknowledged..
Our retirement age is 60 so someone who is 53 could in theory have 7 years added to their service to bring them to retirement age (if they were retiring on ill health grounds).
In practice, this rarely happens. Trying to get the CMO to sign off, and add years, for people who are retiring due to ill health does not happen often and may be dressed up as a medical decision… but in my opinion it’s not just a medical decision.
As for those who would "happy" with 6% over three years, they must have been part of the 10%...
Or non-union who don't have a vote anyway.
Just announced that inflation fell to 3.9% in November.
Oh i wonder what percentage of people got "up to 14%". I wouldnt regard anything you say as even close to the truth. Ignore feature applied.
Define what is "can't work" while also being "not ill or have a chronic health condition".
NB this is in the context of pre-95 public servants with no useful PRSI record.
How on earth can you take any credence whatsoever in a survey that asks people would they like to be paid more. I mean Jesus wept.
The union asked members what they wanted the union to do, and that was the answer they got.
Anyone looking for 10% is in dream world at this stage. The government has timed this well.
I wouldn’t agree with what Ezeoul says or how they say it but 14% was given in benchmarking to some civil servants.
i agree with your second point, that Forsa surgery doesn’t prove anyone’s point. I think 8% over two years would sail through. I’d vote to reject it tho.
10% over how long? Huge difference between 10% over 18 months, or two years, or three years.
It's on public record.
Links were provided previously, but of course you "ignore" actual facts when they go against your narrative and disregard the results of an actual survey carried out, in favour of anecdotes.
10% over three years wont be happening.
SOME. It wasnt a pay deal figure for all whatsoever. Ill say it again , you are embarassing yourself giving credence to a survey asking people would they like a pay rise. 8% would sail through 90% plus.
We should just accept the erosion of our conditions then over the past few years then?
10% over three years is entirely possible. 10% over a shorter timeframe is very unlikely.
Yeah some , so we have never gotten even 10%. Yeah the survey is pointless , all you have to do is look at the last deal and the ease at which those figures passed and that certainly isnt anecdotal evidence.
What's embarrassing is how you refuse to accept verifiable facts and still trying to argue against them.
The Forsa survey went much further than your dismissive "would they like a pay rise" if you had bothered to read it.
And another thing you might consider, settling for a crap deal is not the same as being "happy" with the deal - something that has also been expressed by more than one person here.
But I expect you to just ignore that too.
Why did you vote to accept the last deal? That was for much of the period you refer. The deal being discussed is for 2024, possibly 2025 and possibly 2026. Inflation is drooping quite quickly.
We will not be getting 10% over three years. This isn't about what I want or what I think is right. We will not be getting 10% over 3 years. I'm surprised you think it is possible but we will see in time.
None of that answers the question
Posters here are going to be really disappointed when they realise the pay deal won't be in line with inflation. It just won't happen.
They will then be equally disappointed when the deal is passed with a huge majority.
Not disappointed in the Government or the Unions, who I expect no better from.
But yes, hugely disappointed in those who will settle for yet another crap deal, rather than take industrial action for real meaningful increases.
In particular the self-declared "mé feiners". At least I will be able to hold my head up and say I had no part in making my colleagues poorer.
It answers the question perfectly. You just don't like it.
Why should we accept an erosion in pay? You don’t answer that at all.
No you have muddied the waters on purpose, i said we never got 10% clearly meaning an overall pay deal when i refer to We. You come up with some crap then thst some of us did. The survey is beyond nonsense , best to ignore each other going forward.
Dreamers , most workers are more pragmatic.
I'm making a prediction. I clearly stated this is not what I want or think is right.
You stated, at the time, that you would vote for the last deal. This was a deal that covered much of the period of erosion you speak of. I expressed my disappointment with it. Ask yourself why you accepted an erosion in pay?
You think 10% is possible. I don't. Well see how it plays out. I'm presuming you'll just following the unions recommendation again regardless?
We should have done much better over the last few years but mistakes were made. Mistakes you voted for. So, politely go away and stop trying to debate it with me. My prediction stands.
How I voted in the previous deal is irrelevant to the next deal.
last time was a prediction, this time we know the imbalance that occurred. The last time was a period of high uncertainty, now everything is a lot more settled.
again, why should I accept an erosion in pay? You refuse to answer a simple question.
So according to you, the benchmarking awards are "some crap" and the very detailed survey commissioned by Fórsa on pay expectations for any new deal was simply "do you want a pay rise".
To quote yourself, Jesus wept.
You shouldn't. But that has nothing to do with my prediction. You pay for your vote so use it wisely.
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