How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Agreed.
So what do people think/want at thsi stage?
Obviously we wont get 10 percent straight up. I could possibly see 10 over 3 years.
Civil Servants don’t have contracts of employment per se.
My thinking of this is that the Government will call an election for October/November next year. They will want a good pay deal to butter up the Civil Servants and gain votes.
I'm going to be supremely optimistic and go 8.5% 18 month deal. But it won't be agreed until into 2024.
Breakdown will be 2.5% in March or April 2024, backdated to January 1st. 3.5% on 1st October 2024. Final 2.5% to be paid on 1st June 2025.
Wishful thinking, I know 😂
Which is only payable at the pension rate of pay if the person has a temporary long term illness. I’ve seen Depts refuse to pay TRR to staff as they didn’t believe that they would ever return to work.
Also, the 7 years added for someone who retires through ill health is next to impossible to get… it does happen and it is possible to get it but it is very rare. The closer you get to retirement age, the harder it is to get.
that looks more like a 2 year deal given how late current negotiations are taking place
That'd be truly pathetic
So we should get 10 percent straight up with another 10 over 2years? Lol.
I dont think we have ever gotten 10 in general. Not sure why people think its pathetic.
Each semi state has their own scheme so it's not possible to give a definitive yes/no on that one.
10% over there years would be pathetic, would accept 10% over 18 months
Well to be fair, the goalposts have clearly shifted...
While we've never ever gotten 10%, the price increases we've experienced over the last few years has crippled peoples disposable income. Throwing money at it in terms of pay increases isn't ideal but the government have shown that they can't do much to help control the impact of inflation. The typical small increases that we've been used to in recent years will do very little to help bridge that gap.
I wouldnt be happy with it , but pathetic is very strong in the context of public pay deals both here and in other countries. I mean was the last one 7.5 over 18 or 24months? With inflation worse than it is now. I would be shocked if the unions agree a 3 year deal. Id also be shocked if the headline figure is double digits. 8 over 2 yrs is my guess
I agree that there is scope for a better deal due to inflation , albeit it is falling. But I still dont understand how 10% is pathetic.
Obviously it clearly depends on the timeframe of the 10%... If it was 10% up front from 1st of January, happy days but we know it'll be dragged out over the course of 2 years at the very least. That been said I think the Unions have a very strong position here. There's quite clearly going to be a general election next year. If the current government want the backing of public servants in that, they'll surely know that a good deal here is going to be important to get them onside.
I can't get my head around it either. It's usually the same voices in depts. advocating strike action during every negotiation.
I'd genuinely be happy with 8 percent over 24 or 36 months. I think it'll be closer to 6 percent over the 24 months though and then they will take stock again. Anyone I've spoken to in my dept. say they would be more than happy with 6-8 percent over a 2-3 year period.
I dont think this thread is representative of what would get voted in. Its all poor mouth stuff on here.
Yeah hopefully the election will help us with an extra couple of %. I wonder will we hear anything this side of christmas. Probably not at this stage!
Probably not for this side of Christmas but I'm taking the relative silence as a good thing... We're not hearing much from either camp. You'd imagine we'd be hearing things already through the media if it was very negative.
The question was raised as to what happens when you exhaust sick pay and TRR, well, obviously, if you are not ill, you don't qualify for TRR or sick pay or ill-health retirement. You go back to work in such circumstances.
Well, as there is a maximum of 40 years service, and you already have 35, you can only get 5 added years. There are also other limits at other stages, but if you are entitled to 7 years you get it.
Departments act on medical advice.
Pulling wholly unrealistic figures out of 'somewhere' is not helpful.
Any 3 year deal is guaranteed to be us getting screwed, all the media will be interested in is the headline figure so it'll be low.
That's your opinion. We know which side you will fall on regardless of the deal offered. Your opinion and view point has never been realistic.
Not realistic to refuse to accept pay deal after pay deal which makes us poorer? Where's that going to leave us in another five or ten or twenty years?
How does a pay rise make you poorer?
Ah bless, you think that inability to work guarantees that the CMO will sign you off!!!!
If the pay rise doesn't match inflation your purchasing power is decreased which makes you less well off. Look up real vs nominal wages.
Because it's not keeping up with the increase in cost of living... While you have more take home pay you definitely have increased costs which completely erode that increase
Again, a lot more certainty in this post than is warranted.
You are wasting your time unfortunately, it shouldn't need to be explained to anyone, nonetheless has been numerous times, and they still come out with that.
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