How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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I'm a bit surprised neither side has leaked anything yet. Maybe that's positive?
If the offerings are awful one of the unions might be tempted to leak a figure to add a bit of pressure.
But I don't know. Maybe that's just wishful thinking!
Uh, this is an update - "deal is far apart".
And discussing updates, rumours and speculation is, in fact, the purpose of the thread. Logging in for a moan as some people (ahem, ahem) do, is not.
I reckon 8.5% spread over 2 years will be the final agreement. I imagine we won't get there yet. First the talks will have to break down, suggestions of potential industrial action after Christmas, parties back in talks by February, deal by April.
Obviously, I'd prefer a better percentage sooner.
What's there to discuss? There's nothing on the new deal.
I got an email from SIPTU earlier saying the deal is far apart and to email it to non-union members. You wanna discuss that?
I know, it was worth a try! The thread has been disappointing to say the least, constant arguments from grown adults. Now we’re on to the tolls
Jeez, you'll hardly find out on this thread. But if you're looking for innane, petty arguments of the he-said, she-said variety you've come to the right place.
Any update on the talks today?
Maybe things have changed, but it was always specified to me in the past in travel policy documents that the standard CS mileage rates included tolls and parking, and these couldn't be claimed separately.
Here's an old Boards discussion on this point;
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2056649221/mileage-rates
Here's the wording from one policy I found;
"Civil service rates are used to cover costs associated with using one’s private transport on a business journey (including fuel, tax and insurance, toll charges, wear and tear, maintenance, etc.) and meals and accommodation costs while away from one’s normal place of residence."
They certainly wouldn't have been claimable, and I've explicitly rejected claims that included tolls or parking in the past.
Having said that, it looks like this isn't the case for all public bodies. I'd have thought it would be the case for all Civil Service bodies at a minimum.
What route people take is their own business. They get to claim mileage for the most direct route.
See explanation above. But as the post that refers to lies predates my post about toll charges, it certainly not what salonfire was referring to.
Can you explain what you meant regarding the toll charges being excluded from TandS please
What lies are you referring to please?
Dodging tolls not only wastes time it wastes fuel, why would they encourage that? Far more efficient to just stay on the motorway.
Not excluded where I work. I have no issue claiming tolls. Nor do the several comments above me. Might wanna check your facts first.
Do you think people don't game the system to get the 10 hour rate?
That's local management though insisting on the receipts. Not PSSC.
Yeah, I can claim tolls on my T&S, I need a scan of my receipts though.
I have put in claims this week via pssc. Claimed back tolls without a receipt. Why do you think tolls are excluded?
Mad stuff. You can claim tolls and you dont even need to provide a receipt.
Toll charges are explicitly excluded from expenses and can't be claimed back. You wouldn't be exaggerating a little, would you?
.91cent is decent enough ?
I do approx 6000kms per year. The annoying thing for me are the different rates. 1-1500km is around .50c. Its silly really.
Ha, that's actually going to push up bin charges because it takes away the by far the most valuable resource in the green bin - aluminium. 9.5% is only the start of it.
Just received notification of a 9.5% increase in my monthly bin collection charges from January 2024.
Despite the fact that from February we'll all be expected to bring all plastic bottles and cans back to shops for recycling.
Spare me 🙄
We pissed away a billion euro so FF could attempt to buy a few rural votes, while making public services less efficient.
Or do you maintain that more than half of civil servants in fact do work in Dublin? Or that there are easy wins? Or that moving the DPC to Portarlington was not a massive and costly mistake which had to be reversed? Or that tens of thousands of staff should just shrug their shoulders and uproot their entire lives on a political whim? Go on, we're all ears.
Taking full departments out of Dublin and relocating them in rural locations (often including a complete change over of staff and a significant loss of tacit knowledge) really didn't go so well last time.
It caused a lot of problems with stagnation amongst staff as well, who realised once they were decentralised there were very little opportunities for them to progress to.
What would be better would be moving to an even broader hybrid / WFH model where people can choose where to live, rather than having where they live dictated by where they work (or can commute from). People will happily move if they know they can WFH and only have to commute once a week / month - and still progress their careers as well.
There were talks of creating some hot-desk hubs in various centres where civil servants from multiple departments could go to work, though I don't know if that is gone by the wayside now.
Spoken like a true Dub lol
I can tell you categorically that the majority don't even log into them until something happens and their pay isn't in the bank.
The move away from paper payslips comes in handy for things like that 😈
Your manager should be making the case that public transport is not appropriate due to the time required compared to a car journey. I have experienced the impracticality myself, where my then HEO nearly had a coronary incident when I suggested a taxi from Heuston to a training course rather than a route requiring a Luas and 2 busses each way.
Pretty much everything in the civil service that can logically be decentralised has already been decentralised. The majority of civil servants do not work in Dublin.
They even moved the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner to a little office over a Centra in Portarlington until they eventually realised that was a crap idea.
Despite what some politicians think, civil and public servants are not chess pieces to be moved around a board for political advantage. They have lives, children, career aspirations, elderly parents to look after, they can't and won't all just up sticks on a minister's whim.
I know of people who pull into the garage before certain toll plazas so the receipt is past whatever time is needed to get the ten hour rate. This was after some uproar where they claimed the ten hour rate and someone pulled them up on their toll receipt expense.
Personally, T&S in Ireland isn't great. It can be a little bit stressful making sure you don't cost yourself money travelling. T&S abroad? Very hard not to make money on the trips. The overnight rates are usually very very generous if you're not in the capital city.
I fully understand your frustration and I was in a similar position myself in a previous role, I used to drive and simply claim back the cost of the train ticket, I was loosing a few euro but saving nearly an hour going up and probably more coming down as I wouldn't have to wait for the next train.
The problem with T&S and so many other areas is the fcukers who abuse it and effectively ruin it for compliant employees, where there is money there is always fraud.
Travel and Sub is a real bugbear of mine. I’ve worked in three different Depts over the last 10 years. Some of these roles have required quite a bit of mileage, others none. However, trying to get the CS to pay mileage was next to impossible at times hiding behind “if there is public transport available then you use it”. It used to cost me money to travel to Dublin for meetings as I’d use the car instead of bus/train.
Would love to see the rules on T&S change so that meaningful costs could be given to someone who is required to travel for work. Would love my Union to take this up.
Considering I'm only responding to you and countering the lies peddled from you, it's a reflection on you and your constant crying paying for a occupation pension that would cost you absolutely no more anywhere else. I don't bring up the topic, you do.
At least you have those wet wipes you carry around to wipe away your tears, the same wipes you use to clean car registration plates for easier camera recognisation and to wipe the layers of sweat off you after cycling.
Why would I be mad at cyclists, when I get to my destination much faster and in far more comfort than them, without the need to carry wet wipes around like you have to?
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