How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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It does.
I should have said nearly double , still to me nearly double without a promotion is snazzy enough , not sure if that happens in tbe private sector much.
Apology accepted
i also said BASICALLY guaranteed. I you left out the basically in your posts i see hmm Apologies i didnt say NEARLY double. Very very few people enter and stay as a Co , that is common knowledge , perhaps you have zero knowledge of the civil service. Agreed on gross/net i was incorrect and deleted it. In general you are being pedantic for the sake of it.
You've now deleted this comment because you've seen the error of your ways, hopefully. For anyone else wondering, you were spouting off about CO wages doubling because the figures I provided were net pay when everyone talks about gross. Turns out the figures were gross pay, so no, I didn't prove your point for you, you just demonstrated even further that you are talking crap. At least you realised it this time and had the good grace to delete it.
Hahahah sorry they nearly double without one promotion in their whole career. Get off the stage pal.
He says, while inventing scenarios out of thin air and moving the goalposts after his initial claim was proven to be bullsh1t. For the second time........YOU NEVER SAID THEY NEARLY DOUBLE, YOU SAID THEY WERE GUARANTEED TO DOUBLE OR TRIPLE. You haven't shown one single role that doubles, never mind triples. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you're now doubling down and claiming you're actually correct. Get off the stage indeed.
Triple would be anyone going from co to heo, Ap ,Po , a lot of people.
"Your salary will triple if you get 3 or 4 promotions".....yeah, no sh1t sherlock. In other news, the Pope supports Celtic.
Also, this is a completely different argument to what you initially claimed. It also blows holes in your initial argument, which was that this isn't possible in retail. I've worked entry level jobs in both Tesco and McDonald's. Four promotions in either of them would see you almost at Store Manager level, which is way more than triple what the frontline staff get. So, again, for anyone taking notes, you're entire argument is nonsens.
You failed to pick up the context of the conversation which was viewing a career in the civil service over the dole or retail.
No, I picked it up alright, you're just talking out of your hole and making stuff up to try and prove your point, which is based on a foundation of lies.
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Hahahah sorry they nearly double without one promotion in their whole career. Get off the stage pal. Triple would be anyone going from co to heo, Ap ,Po , a lot of people. You failed to pick up the context of the conversation which was viewing a career in the civil service over the dole or retail. I was not begruding any group of their pay. Why bother put the years in? I said over the course of a career.
You didn't say "Nearly double", though. You said "their salary is basically guaranteed to double or even treble during their career." And I have looked at them. None of them double, never mind triple, which is why I asked.
Role.......................starting.............................top of scale
CO..........................€510pw............................€820 (after 19 years)
EO..........................€34,562............................€56,969 (after 17 years)
AO..........................€35,368............................€65,621 (after 15 years)
Garda......................€32,921............................€56,118 (after 19 years)
Teacher....................€42,765............................€78,426 (after 27 years)
Teacher is closest to doubling, reaching 191% of starting salary, but that takes the guts of 30 years to achieve. Anyone begrudging them that needs their head checked. I was wondering who you had in mind that their pay would triple. If you were being hyperbolic, fair enough, just say so.
Load of old bollocks of no relevance to the thread topic.
Likewise. Keep learning grasshopper. Deflect from your inaccuracies and fail to answer pertinent questions. Do you work for the official side by any chance?
Jaysis you are an odd one , genuinely couldnt read more than two sentences of your bile.
Other way around very often. A high quality robot could easily analyse and clear the good work that has been painstakingly written a few grades below them.
Quite likely the real engines end up out on their ear in due course but, hey, if the main function in that workflow is to say "oh yes, cleared by PO", then AI may be doing a clear sweep.
What jobs, equal to a clerical officer starting out, do not have wage /salry growth? Pray tell. I await your golden insight.
What employer /sector pays below the target 2% inflation (real life inflation invariably higher) and manages to keep employees, or gain new ones when the other lot have had enough BS, and stay afloat?
Do you shop in Narnia perhaps?
And do you think the dole does not stay pace with headline inflation? Its the one thing that IS guaranteed to; well before PS wages. Wake up now.
No, FORSA just email to tell us they're down in the ditch getting dirty and they're thinking of us. All mouth and no trousers. They likely buy into the wage inflation spiral hokum preached by half-ass Keynesian claptrappists.
Giving back fiscally what was taken monetarily is not a new concept. But our crowd can't broach such sensitive topics since we gave up control of printing our own colouredy monopoly money. Such is life.
I think you mean they remain subpar for much of the lifetime of the poor yoke on them.
Incidentally, if you project that magical target 2% inflation (money dilution by ECB) out over each year, how exactly are these increases? What good is double the nominal amount but the same or less spending power?
Do you have the slightest clue about what you're talking about? If you don't understand the nature of money, like most on this thread, and in govt and union circles, then you don't understand the concept of labour.
Money =sweat, blood tears, effort, activities foregone etc. Finite time on earth given to another for their purposes. Its a social contract. At least the unions get that with regards to collective bargaining. But without monetary powers, we are at the mercy (and the good mercy during the pandemic) of the ECB.
The euro reduced in buying power by over 40% from its 2002(?) inception to 2019. You can fairly add 10-20% to that due to Covid costs. In reality, we're all struggling as our real wages are on the floor for 15+years. Its not rocket science but is deeply saddening how the political and academic class dupe the ordinary peóple with their tired Keynesian claptrap.
This is completely untrue and you're talking like a victim.
In the past, I have eschewed various purchases, including essentials, while on TCO, CO and EO pay, with long commutes, to buy small amounts of silver and put them away.
You simply don't know what you're talking about. But swagger away as if you do. But many of the euro central banks know the difference between money and currency. Perhaps apply your own sage warning to yourself as any idiot can check the price of gold vs euro from 2002 to today (or any point in between) and begin to understand what money is and how the great dance that is the pay talks will leave all of us feeling empty. Its a big wheeze. What is pay for? To buy things. How come its agreed value in January has altered by December? The swindle is not hard to understand. But struggle away comrade.
There will never be enough wages, in currency terms. Never. I'm sadly not surprised that you can't see that. Let he who has eyes see. And Bitcoin my hole...
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Ah we've moved on from teachers to attacking nurses now, with their time and a quarter night shift extravaganza rate.
Even throwing out the "Irish nurses are highly paid" article, taking literally just the graph suiting their argument. Ignoring everything below that where each result shows Ireland drop lower until below the EU20. Then accuse nurses of going to work in slave economies like... Umm Canada and Australia generally, while we have to poach nurses from India, The Philippines, and Central Africa
Lies, damned lies, and statistics
Great and how is the cost of living in general and housing in particular compared to other OECD nations then? Looking at wages in isolation is totally meaningless. Need to look at tax take too...
Oh god not this WUM who says they are ashamed of renting once a month across different threads.
Seems that people on this website think the problem is living in Dublin without being a rich techie on 100k. The attitude here is if you cant afford to own a home you need to live in Longford.
Look at the pay scales. Even without a promotion the likes of CO , EO and AO nearly double. Look at gardai and teacher salarys from year 1 till end of the scale. Its all available online.
Ive a neighbour with three kids and she doesn't work....painter and decorator outside her house this afternoon working away....ill probably get slated now for that but who cares.......the mistake we made is actually working in the first place......€12 pay rise a week for the social in January...mine works out at €7 a week and im in the public service ...
Which public sector salaries are guaranteed to double or triple over their careers?
If we provided affordable housing this would not be an issue. As a single person earning 42k in Dublin Ive had to take on a second job to rent a bedsit. Its really not fair
No wonder young teachers and nurses are fleeing the state when social housing in rural ireland are jumping from approx. 190k to 500k per unit in the space of 5 years - there is something seriously wrong with the country ...
serious pay rises for public servants will be needed to keep up with savage cost of living rises of late ..
Multi-million price soars to convert Laois convent into Portlaoise housing
https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/property/1358828/multi-million-price-soars-to-convert-laois-convent-into-social-housing.html
Yeah id agree , most are going to earn deposits for houses. Anybody I have known to go to dubai/abu dhabi to work have returned or is planning on returning.
A major contributor to this occurring is the housing crisis and how expensive it is to live here for newly qualified young people. You can't even get close to renting a place for yourself anymore, you're either paying close to a grand to house share with loads of people, likely in **** holes with cramped mouldy rooms, or living at home.
Not true, according to this article, nurses in Ireland are the seventh highest paid in the OECD.
The problem is that Irish nurses, like Irish teachers, are happy to move to slave economies in the UAE to work on higher salaries, facilitated by the exploitation of migrant workers from Bangladesh and Afghanistan. Education about the horrors of Dubai and Abu Dhabi are required.
The talks were adjourned until later in the week. It was on the RTE website, I don't see how that is quiet.
I also wonder what you, and others, expect to happen. This is a massive negotiation. Neither side are going to show their full hand. Neither side are going to divulge much, if anything, to the media. The talks will go on for weeks. There won't be leaks until much closer to the end of the talks. Nor should there be.
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