How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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They need a postgrad. They also manage dozens of kids.
Did you?
I'm no fan of teachers but your condescension is baffling. I could easily claim that acccounting is far easier than computer science or biological sciences
Simple fact is supply and demand puts teachers at a premium which the government doesn't get
You're not going to seriously claim that Accountancy exams are more demanding than Chemistry or Mathematics exams?
I think your ego is like your paypacket - inflated, which is quite surprising considering your all of 9 hours of Accountancy lectures per week at college.
I have managed dozens of kids coaching yeah. They dont need a postgrad. You could claim it of course , but theyd not be working half the hours. Teachers are overpaid.
Then college ones of course yes. Undergrad degrees are not very challenging. My paypacket is a lot lower than it should be but I like working in the civil service.
I coach kids too. That is not the same as teaching them, in a class room, FFS
This is sheer bloody hubris
University College exams in Accountancy are more demanding than Mathematics or Chemistry?
lol. . . . what a spoofer.
My example is a 22 year old woman, in her first full time job and she wouldn't do CO because the pay is too low. She did EO (as did her boyfriend) because the extra 7k ish each in the starting pay would be a lot to them.
I was not the poster making it about people on social welfare, but it can't be denied that the value of social welfare (including HAP) makes these entry level jobs financially unattractive.
Not in university hahahaha. The aca exams , to become a chartered accountant. You havent a breeze.
Sorry are you serious? Your claim was oh they manage kids.
Your ignorance is astounding. I've never met a CA who would make your claims.
and my point was that she's already in a full time job so applying for an entry level job in lots of other areas, not just the public sector, might result in the same thing.
The better comparison might be the pay she got when she started in the retail job and a CO grade?
You didnt even know there was CA exams hahahah.Literally thought it was just an undergrad.
There are no guaranteed increases every year. The existence of big unions is because staff organised and paid for them.
Pay talks commencing at 3.30pm - i assume this is shadow boxing - Unions want x Gov willing to give y so meet in the middle and meet again next year.
You think Maths, Chemistry & Physics end at undergrad?
There's me naively thinking some of the greatest living people of all time are people like Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, Nikola Tesla. . . . Turns out it's Ibunnae and his beancounter mates working at the DPER.
Hahah we were comparing undergrad degrees to the CA exams. Because thats what a teacher needs to get their pay and what an accountant needs. Are you trying to compare yourself to those men lol???? I dont work in Dper. What do you do yourself? Maths teacher is it? Actually dont bother replying , we are clogging up the thread and you are an imbecile.
One hour on a pitch playing is not equivalent to teaching them from Monday to Friday, be they 5 year olds or 18 year olds
Oh wow you're chartered, like how many others? The fact that you think those exams are more difficult than high level tech courses is silly. Next you'll be trying to say that they are more difficult than medical undergrad too, shur all undergrads are easy
Here is one that accountant you should be able to grasp, even if it is more business.
So, are teachers overpaid? let's take a look at the critical criterion
Can the government fill existing required positions at the current pay level?
Yes would mean teachers are overpaid or paid sufficiently.
No would mean that they remuneration is not sufficient.
Sorry i did for 6 hours at a time in summer, mon to friday for 2 months for about 5 summers. The chartered exams are more difficult than undergrad exams. There is also a heap of us , i dont think its some impressive career , but i definitely see why we get paid more than feckin teachers. Just how much of an undersupply of teachers is there? How many vacancies are there? I mean are we still slow to accept foreign teachers???
I'll ask her!
The fact that you still think that coaching kids, for sport I assume, is anything like teaching is bad enough. I mean how do you even get there?
You think that your chartered accountancy exam is more difficult than a medical undergrad?
Or pharmacy, physics, maths etc?
Deluded, absolutely deluded.
Yeah defintely more diffcult than an undergrad not medicine , but your bog standard undergads of course. I mean you need an undergrad to attempt the chartered exams The fact you think theres one exam shows you dont understand the topic matter. Its also way off topic so ill leave your ignorance at that. Oh i see ypu didnt bother with " Just how much of an undersupply of teachers is there? How many vacancies are there? I mean are we still slow to accept foreign teachers???"
Define bog standard?
So medicine is considered higher, to you. What about nursing? Pharmacy?
The hubris is outstanding.
Answer the simple question
PS: The fact that you want to strawman your way out because I neglected to put an "s" after exam tells plenty, ignoring my previous references to exam"s"
Your profession is not special. Your professional examS pale compared to the post grads doctors, nurses, and technical posts do to move beyond their basic entry level roles
I would consider the chartered exams harder than a 4 year undergrad. I did engineering myself. Many peers did the aca exams from all backgrounds , chemistry, law etc. They arent even that difficult but lets face it either is an undergrad , they want you to pass. Without having done both i suppose you have no real opinion worth any weight to the conversation , thats just factual.
Define bog standard...
Something you should have learned in your silly undergrad is the one making the claim is the one needing to back it up. But you think coaching summer camps equates to being a teacher
Because all I see, from your reply here, is that people from all areas are able to come and get chartered. Does not sound that difficult.
When did i say it equated to being a teacher, now whos using a strawman. Yeah the brightest from those areas can get it , it takes 3 years though. What do you do yourself?
I feel like Public Pay Talks needs an Information/Update thread and a separate Chat thread
Someone get this troll off this thread.
"Me CA exams were rocket science" - No one gives a ****.....Look at the title of the thread you juvenile.
Yeah thats been my fault the last hour. Ill shut my trap.
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As an Engineer you found the Chartered Exams harder? Shocker. You trained everyday for the Engineering exams. Its literally your only job in University. The CA were harder....for you. I am assuming you didn't have an accountancy degree to lean on and the years of academic experience that comes with that.
I've done Electronic, Electrical, and Mechanical Engineering exams at undergraduate and postgraduate level. I've also done the Actuarial Exams. I found all of them easy. Why? I find maths logical and easy. I sat a French exam a few weeks ago. F*ck me, I barely passed it. Does that mean French is harder then Engineering?
The difficulty of exams is subjective. CA exams are not "harder" then undergraduate exams in the same way undergraduate exams are not harder then the Leaving Certificate. Nor is pay based on how difficult the job is. Its based off supply and demand. If a company cannot find employees for a certain job, they typically outsource it or raise the salary to attract candidates. Teaching should be no different. Theres a huge shortage. Make the job more attractive both in terms of pay and the job itself. I deal with an U12s team once a week. Its fine and easy enough. It does not mean I could walk in and teach them.
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