How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Not in university hahahaha. The aca exams , to become a chartered accountant. You havent a breeze.
My example is a 22 year old woman, in her first full time job and she wouldn't do CO because the pay is too low. She did EO (as did her boyfriend) because the extra 7k ish each in the starting pay would be a lot to them.
I was not the poster making it about people on social welfare, but it can't be denied that the value of social welfare (including HAP) makes these entry level jobs financially unattractive.
University College exams in Accountancy are more demanding than Mathematics or Chemistry?
lol. . . . what a spoofer.
I coach kids too. That is not the same as teaching them, in a class room, FFS
This is sheer bloody hubris
Then college ones of course yes. Undergrad degrees are not very challenging. My paypacket is a lot lower than it should be but I like working in the civil service.
I have managed dozens of kids coaching yeah. They dont need a postgrad. You could claim it of course , but theyd not be working half the hours. Teachers are overpaid.
You're not going to seriously claim that Accountancy exams are more demanding than Chemistry or Mathematics exams?
I think your ego is like your paypacket - inflated, which is quite surprising considering your all of 9 hours of Accountancy lectures per week at college.
They need a postgrad. They also manage dozens of kids.
Did you?
I'm no fan of teachers but your condescension is baffling. I could easily claim that acccounting is far easier than computer science or biological sciences
Simple fact is supply and demand puts teachers at a premium which the government doesn't get
You have an absolutely bizzare definition of controlling the streets.
Not really tbh , but there isnt much barriers to entry to the profession so to expect to be paid the same is a bit strange to me. They also work i would say half the hours of an accountant. Thats half over a full year.
You really hate teachers
But your example is someone already working in retail and looking at moving. CO roles are entry level roles.
Yes, there could be changes made to the CO grade, but let's not keep making it about people on social welfare for some reason.
I didn't mean people were refusing to work in the public service - but they are definitely looking elsewhere, whereas before the C&PS was considered an attractive option.
Now not so much, and that is why we have a recruitment as well as a retention problem.
My own niece recently did the EO open competition and is on the panel - she said she couldn't be bothered with the TCO or CO exams as the pay is too low and she could earn more in her current employment (retail) and she'd have to wait two years for an interdepartmental comp to go for EO or she could do the open EO straight off the batt.
Hahahah so you didnt do the chartered exams no? And what do they say about teachers , those that cant do , teach.
It was a question that I knew the answer to. Pathetic to compare it to jobseekers.
The payscales are on the Fórsa website. Look them up. I'll even give you a link to save you looking.
Have done far more demanding exams than Accountancy exams. Accountants are overpaid bean counters, that's all.
People are paid according to their value or worth and not their qualifications. It just happens to be the case that they are linked proportionally yet you don't need any qualifications to be taoiseach or president
That poster makes up their own stuff tbh. No grasp of the private sector or general economics.
There’s practically universal employment. You’ll always have 4/5% but it simply isn’t true to say people are refusing to work in the public service because they’re better off on benefits
They are working elsewhere, and that’s a legitimate concern, but bringing in those on welfare is a ridiculous argument
Yeah and im well underpaid. Yeah 33% are on the starter wage. And what does that go up to for the ones who dont get promoted?
This has been addressed already.
People already in the C&PS may not be leaving their jobs to go on benefits, but those who are on benefits are looking at the salary being paid, and deciding the starting pay isn't enough to make surrendering their benefits to take up lower grade positions in the C&PS worthwhile.
"Poor mouth bolixology" - says he, whose grade starts on approx €70k.
It's been pointed out, more than once, that approx 33% of the civil service are at the CO grade. Probably a similar percentage in the rest of the public service admin grades.
They are not earning anywhere near €70k.
But someone did say that, and that’s what I responded to.
Well I am not saying that. I am saying, however, that the government has openly shown that under 10% immediate would hurt households
And my point is that claiming you’re better off on the dole or minimum wage is stupid and won’t help any debate on the issue
Its the trend on this thread. Poor mouth bolixology.
The point is that the government recognises that 12.5% is a base line to counter the inflationary pressures households are seeing but will, at the same time, expect their own employees to take far less
Honours degree is very different from professional exams. You need an honours degree to attempt them.
What a weird post. The government doesn’t pay that minimum wage
No Public servant will be better off on the dole or minimum wage (by definition in the latter case)
I’m sympathetic to most calls for increased wages, but this “we’d be better off on the dole” **** is ludicrous. Because if you were better off, you’d do it.
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