How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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This post is idiotic. Who said 5% over two years? Also many many civil and public servants are well off. This poor mouth stuff is a bit sad.
Small escalation in the Grade 3-6 industrial action, in TUSLA, currently
No use of phone or video call service except between 10:00-13:00 and 14:00-16:00 (excluding emergency OOH, abuse reporting, and specific reception staff)
That one looks like it's heading for a stoppage, to be honest.
Seems like a small thing for the government side to make a run at, unless they had plans to use this to test the waters for future changes
As ever posters like you always give the benefits of how amazing ublic sector jobs are even though many are leaving those jobs.
€54,000 after ten years is a pittance. There are accountants on that salary after 2 or 3 years. But you say . . . If they do extra work they can earn more. Why is this always an expectation of public servants? Work more if you want more money? Isn't that an alternative way of stating that the original wage is not good enough.
AGS should ask for at least a 10% pay rise payable on 1st January in its entirety given what went on last week. If not then work to rule.
Eh , those accountants do difficult exams.
Accountancy?
Difficult exams?
Don't think so. The most difficult exams are in the Sciences.
So what if they're doing difficult exams? They're not getting 54 grand after a few years because they did difficult exams. They're getting it because they work in the private sector and not the public sector.
Besides members of AGS are entitled to more respect than the fact that they didn't do difficult exams as I doubt a bunch of accountants could have controlled the streets last week.
Hahahah have you done them? Not LC accountancy . Well i got 50k in the public sector straight after my exams because i did them.
The entry requirements for being guard is a pass leaving certificate. Notwithstanding that many entrants exceed that level.
Large portion of my bio honours degree class are in government microbio or food science labs
Think that I was the only one of my CompScience class silly enough to sacrifice 50-ish% pay for a steady government job, where I actually do society some good. Not good considering we can not attract anyone into roles.
So accountancy... yeah, no
Nurses need a BSc. hons in Nursing many also have a postgrad HDip or higher
Teachers degrees/HDip
Engineers have at least honours degrees
What a weird post. The government doesn’t pay that minimum wage
No Public servant will be better off on the dole or minimum wage (by definition in the latter case)
I’m sympathetic to most calls for increased wages, but this “we’d be better off on the dole” **** is ludicrous. Because if you were better off, you’d do it.
Honours degree is very different from professional exams. You need an honours degree to attempt them.
The point is that the government recognises that 12.5% is a base line to counter the inflationary pressures households are seeing but will, at the same time, expect their own employees to take far less
Its the trend on this thread. Poor mouth bolixology.
And my point is that claiming you’re better off on the dole or minimum wage is stupid and won’t help any debate on the issue
Well I am not saying that. I am saying, however, that the government has openly shown that under 10% immediate would hurt households
But someone did say that, and that’s what I responded to.
"Poor mouth bolixology" - says he, whose grade starts on approx €70k.
It's been pointed out, more than once, that approx 33% of the civil service are at the CO grade. Probably a similar percentage in the rest of the public service admin grades.
They are not earning anywhere near €70k.
This has been addressed already.
People already in the C&PS may not be leaving their jobs to go on benefits, but those who are on benefits are looking at the salary being paid, and deciding the starting pay isn't enough to make surrendering their benefits to take up lower grade positions in the C&PS worthwhile.
Yeah and im well underpaid. Yeah 33% are on the starter wage. And what does that go up to for the ones who dont get promoted?
There’s practically universal employment. You’ll always have 4/5% but it simply isn’t true to say people are refusing to work in the public service because they’re better off on benefits
They are working elsewhere, and that’s a legitimate concern, but bringing in those on welfare is a ridiculous argument
That poster makes up their own stuff tbh. No grasp of the private sector or general economics.
People are paid according to their value or worth and not their qualifications. It just happens to be the case that they are linked proportionally yet you don't need any qualifications to be taoiseach or president
Have done far more demanding exams than Accountancy exams. Accountants are overpaid bean counters, that's all.
The payscales are on the Fórsa website. Look them up. I'll even give you a link to save you looking.
It was a question that I knew the answer to. Pathetic to compare it to jobseekers.
Hahahah so you didnt do the chartered exams no? And what do they say about teachers , those that cant do , teach.
I didn't mean people were refusing to work in the public service - but they are definitely looking elsewhere, whereas before the C&PS was considered an attractive option.
Now not so much, and that is why we have a recruitment as well as a retention problem.
My own niece recently did the EO open competition and is on the panel - she said she couldn't be bothered with the TCO or CO exams as the pay is too low and she could earn more in her current employment (retail) and she'd have to wait two years for an interdepartmental comp to go for EO or she could do the open EO straight off the batt.
But your example is someone already working in retail and looking at moving. CO roles are entry level roles.
Yes, there could be changes made to the CO grade, but let's not keep making it about people on social welfare for some reason.
You really hate teachers
Not really tbh , but there isnt much barriers to entry to the profession so to expect to be paid the same is a bit strange to me. They also work i would say half the hours of an accountant. Thats half over a full year.
You have an absolutely bizzare definition of controlling the streets.
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