How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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8% ... after an initial offer of 5% rejected by the Unions.
1 year deal backdated to April of this year and runs until March of next year.
Sure 10 isnt enough for you. Oh no sorry not you , you speak for the COs lol.
You know, you can take all the cheap shots at me you wish, but I won't apologise for not being a "mé féiner" who only considers the impact of pay deals on themselves, or their own grade.
The point here is, that if the Government can agree to an 8% increase over 1 year here, why are people talking of settling for a paltry 5%-6% spread over 2 or more years for themselves ?
And if the Unions, including Fórsa, can refuse the initial 5% offer that was made here, they damn well better be planning on refusing any similar low-ball, multi-year offers made for the public sector.
What???
This makes no sense whatsoever.
That's in respect of the previous pay deal, which they didn't get (they got literally NOTHING)
The way the government uses "charities" (in reality funded by the taxpayer) to deliver services at arm's length is a disgrace. It cheats the workers but most of all it cheats the service users. Entitlements not charity. But the government has long known it can get away with treating the elderly, vulnerable, disabled etc. in such a fashion.
Oh and school secretaries now no longer have to sign on to the dole during the summer. Whoop. What a country.
minimum wage increasing by 12.8% over 1 year plenty of money for new pay deal so
And they still tried to low-ball them with a poxy 5% offer.
The deal only runs until March of 2024, so I'm assuming they will be included in any new deal.
They desperately need these people to help keep services running - but they also need to remember they need all of us to help keep services running.
And without the Unions it would have been 5% (or lower).
The unions are not amazing but **** me life is a lot better with them then without them.
Jesus, for once we agree
Gives thanks today. Will be trying to screw them over next week when his officials are negotiating with the representatives of those people
You can't pay a gas bill with thanks
How about a sliding scale of pay rises over the course of the year ranging from 12 percent at the lowest levels up to 4 percent at the highest levels.
When the state has a limited pot to payout surely that is the fairest way to keep everyone happy, particularly those looking out for everyone in the sector.
People are realistic. Obviously the more people that get a pay rise the bigger the pot of money required. I would suggest that the 8 percent pay rise referenced won't cost the state anywhere near as much as an 8 percent pay rise applied to all in the PS and CS.
It's worth remembering that Paschal Donohoe and Leo Varadkar brought the Gardaí to within 24 hours of an unprecedented national strike in 2018.
The higher paid grades won't agree to anything like that - as you can see from the earlier part of the thread. They believe it will discincentivise promotion, narrow the gap between grades and "devalue" the work done at the higher grade.
I personally would consider accepting a deal structured along the lines of the deal the Germans did, if the monthly minimum was right.
Edit: The State also doesn't have a limited "pot" for pay rises. The have made an allocation of what they hope to get away with spending on pay rises. That doesn't mean it can't be increased.
You'd wonder if the real reason they won't agree to it is the same me fein attitude I display myself.
If there is a limited allocation or pot or whatever you want to call it surely if you want fairness for the lower paid you allocate them a higher percentage of the pot?
Ah sorry, my mistake.
I thought you were asking a serious question, instead of still thinking about yourself.
Why on earth would the Union accept that the pot, set by the other side, dictates anything
You may find that the lunch is being funded by the senior staff in your organisation personally, rather than by the organisation itself.
We get milk and teabags provided, but no coffee!
You are hilarious.
I suppose you also think Napoleonic Wars are still on-going because you are paying Income Tax.
There you go, pedaling furiously against the pissing wind and rain, breathlessly plopping yourself down at your desk for 9am, wiping the sweat off your brow with the wet wipes you carry round and all the time you have to pay .... a perfectly reasonable contribution to your pension no more than you'd pay anywhere else.
And after 14 years of this drudgery, you seem to see no other way out.
I did chuckle seeing this post of yours flogging the same horse yet again.
A Garda with 10 years experience has a basic salary of €54,000 and with shift + other allowances (some of them tax free so even better than being included in salary) will make the Garda within the top 20% of all income earners in Ireland and not even at the halfway point of their career. Then there's the pension allowing them retire after just 30 years service.
Any extra hours worked by the Gardai that night will be given overtime pay.
When it comes to pay, the Gardai are plenty thanked.
Nah, it comes out of the budget in my case. It's unusual to be given a Christmas party/lunch, i accept that.
It's not income tax. It's the additional deduction on my payslip each fortnight, on top of income tax that reminds me of the ongoing issue, created by the employer abusing their tax raising powers to implement a change to employee terms and conditions unilaterally, in a manner that would be illegal for any other employer.
Fair play to your imagination though, have you considered giving Creative Writing classes in your spare time? It's a bit bizarre that you think cycling to work is an opportunity for bullying. Are you 16 like?
Allowances are tax free in the same way that expenses are tax free. They are to cover the costs of other expenditures, so of course they are tax free.
just the same way the lower grades wont accept a poor deal given the 12.8% government 1 year deal increase to the minimum wage is devaluing / disincentivizing their work
I sincerely hope not.
Alas, it is only a flicker of hope. I have little faith in the Unions or the membership, anymore.
Honestly have not had faith in unions for a long time.
Honestly think the combination pay deals need to end. Too easy for government to not increase specific areas crying for it by pointing to the deal
and these multi year deals are a farce too
14 billion for social welfare
12.8% bump to min. wage in 1 year
vs potential 5% offered over 2 years
we will all be better of on the dole or minimum wage at this rate
Because of input prices rises nobody at my company got a raise the past two years. I know other people in similar situations.
It may not seem it but be thankful that you guys have a big union and guaranteed increases every year.
Sure in big tech or finance etc there were big increases and bonuses etc but in the SME sector ( backbone of the economy) this is not the case at all.
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