How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Work to rule. No need for a picket and you still get paid...
To secure proper pay? Sure
Slim minority my arse!! That deal would be voted in with ease again.
Nobody wants but it seems the majority are willing to go down that road if a fair deal isn't received. Its what a few poor pay agreements will do.
A survey by Fórsa, has revealed very strong support for unions to pursue inflation-matching pay increases, including in the next round of public service pay talks.
The survey, which drew completed responses from more than 20,000 of the union’s members nationwide, was commissioned by Fórsa and conducted by Amárach research in the second half of April.
More than 80% of respondents said it was ‘very important’ that that pay negotiations secure increases that match inflation, and this response was especially high (90%) among younger workers.
The survey found a clear majority of respondents are in favour of Fórsa organising a ballot for industrial action if negotiated increases are below the rate of inflation, with only 5% opposed, while the remainder said they would consider their support for an industrial action ballot when details of any pay offer are known.
The union said that if such a ballot became necessary support would be likely to increase, and noted a higher level of support for an industrial action ballot among younger Fórsa members.
Nobody wants to be on a picket.
I am happy to strike unless I see my pay restored (or the intention to restore by structuring a deal to facilitate that).
It won't be an all out strike if the Unions cannot settle on a deal. It will be one day strikes, work to rule etc.
That's one thing I do agree with you on, certainly over the last few years anyway. Negotiations all seems like a show and it feels very unlikely that the government could have given us any less.
Lets hope the Unions do a better job of serving their members this time around.
Now whose dreaming.
Ok. Straw pole.
Who wants to be on a picket in January?
We would in our fawk
The promise of a bit backmoney paid out before christmas is what got it over the line.
"Turkeys voting for Christmas" - was last year's deal, almost literally.
But many regretted it come the January bills - as I predicted they would at the time.
I think we'd get the same increases with or without a Union.
How well do you think pay negotiations would go if there was no Unions at all?
As has been said here before, you never need a Union. Until you do.
If staff who weren't union members had an issue with the last deal then they should have joined up.
I struggle to see the benefits of actually being in the union anymore.
What percentage of the 90% would say it was a fair deal now? A slim minority Id say. As as been said that vote made us poorer, and a lot who voted for it are really feeling the cost of that deal in their pockets now. The unions have a lot to answer for for recommending it.
The calls for 15% and the likes are largely to correct that last deal but as you say that deal was agreed and mistakes were made. People just really feel that they cant afford to get even poorer here.
This period of high inflation has been really bad for public servants. Nobody is voting to get rich, just to retain as much spending power as possible.
90% of union members, accepted the last deal, based on the recommendation of the union.
Not 90% of all staff as you're conveniently leaving out. We've covered this already.
There has been a lot of recruitment drives being done by the unions lately. (Don't know how successful).
Some of those are not Union members and don't actually have a vote.
The last deal was voted yes by over 90% , theres a lot of dreamers on here. But the bulk of voters are rational and pragmatic and know we aint getting 15%.
6% over 1 year would be fine , certainly not over a longer period.
It's always the same ones in here too. Lets just hope the negotiators aren't as meek and we get a fair deal this time.
I'm always surprised by the amount of people willing to vote to make themselves poorer.
It won't be anywhere near to 10%. I think we need to accept that. 8% would be brilliant but I think it'll be closer to 6% which I would accept.
Anyone I have spoken to has no appetite to stand on pickets regardless. The usual old school union / shop heads do but there the ones who always advocate for industrial action. We all know them.
I dunno why that would be acceptable.
From my very quick look, inflation in 2021 was 2.4%, 2022 was 7.8% and predicted for 2023 is 5.4%.
The increases we got year each year was: in 2021 was 1%, 2022 was 4% and 2023 is 3.5%.
Over the last 3 years, the combined inflation rate is 15.6% and the rise in workers wages is 8.5%. In my opinion, we should be looking for ~7% on day one of the new deal. The predicted inflation rate for 2024 is 3.6%. So for NEXT year only, we should be looking at 10-11%. For a multi-year deal, we should be looking at maybe 15% over 3 years to stay on track with inflation? Thats not all on day one, thats not all structured in bits either. Its some on day one and some staggered so that workers wages rise with inflation over the course of the next 1/2/3 years.
I am not overly confident on the actual increases we got over the past 3 years, it was a very quick Google. If someone has more accurate figures please correct me. However, this is where I have pulled my "I will vote to reject any deal for less then 10% next year".
The more I think about it I'd be happy enough with around 6 percent. Just get the deal done and get the money into peoples pockets at the stage.
Yeah same in our place. There used to be a machine with (overpriced) crisps, bars etc. and a Coke machine. The Coke machine was always out of all diet options so I never used it. During Covid they disappeared. I now buy a pack of cans in the supermarket and leave them in the fridge (one at a time!) but they often disappear too...
That's laughable - especially the three year aspect.
I remember last year, the rush to get the back payment out to as many as possible "in time for Christmas".
More like in time for it to push many into the higher bracket at the end of the year, so they got 40% back straight away.
OK here is my absolutely random stupid thought on the matter.
Do the government not get up to 50% back immediately, from any raise they give, through Income-Tax/USC/PRSI?
Somebody has to OK spending on tea, coffee and milk etc. generally whoever is in charge of the department.
Some think they are minding the states money by penny pinching on milk. But then end up overpaying vast sums for something else.
We don't even have a vending machine anymore.
They took it away during the lockdown because, "there wasn't enough demand" for it!!
Its odd they havent fixed it over time.
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