How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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They are spending other employers money there though. Easy spend somebody else's money.
surely it is very hard to do a 3 year deal with inflation and world economy all over the place
And also Inflating income tax receipts
We have to bring in our own milk too. When I worked in the private sector there was free tea and coffee and milk provided.
This annoys me because a lot of public sector you dont have to but some you do haha. No consistency
TBF there's no consistency anywhere when it comes to the 'perks'.
Well that is true. Just seems like if you are allowed buy milk, tea and coffee then ya may as well!
So much favoritism some departments have gyms,subsidised canteens and higher pay scales meanwhile other departments have cardigan culture and a vending machine
Its odd they havent fixed it over time.
We don't even have a vending machine anymore.
They took it away during the lockdown because, "there wasn't enough demand" for it!!
Somebody has to OK spending on tea, coffee and milk etc. generally whoever is in charge of the department.
Some think they are minding the states money by penny pinching on milk. But then end up overpaying vast sums for something else.
OK here is my absolutely random stupid thought on the matter.
Do the government not get up to 50% back immediately, from any raise they give, through Income-Tax/USC/PRSI?
I remember last year, the rush to get the back payment out to as many as possible "in time for Christmas".
More like in time for it to push many into the higher bracket at the end of the year, so they got 40% back straight away.
That's laughable - especially the three year aspect.
Yeah same in our place. There used to be a machine with (overpriced) crisps, bars etc. and a Coke machine. The Coke machine was always out of all diet options so I never used it. During Covid they disappeared. I now buy a pack of cans in the supermarket and leave them in the fridge (one at a time!) but they often disappear too...
The more I think about it I'd be happy enough with around 6 percent. Just get the deal done and get the money into peoples pockets at the stage.
I dunno why that would be acceptable.
From my very quick look, inflation in 2021 was 2.4%, 2022 was 7.8% and predicted for 2023 is 5.4%.
The increases we got year each year was: in 2021 was 1%, 2022 was 4% and 2023 is 3.5%.
Over the last 3 years, the combined inflation rate is 15.6% and the rise in workers wages is 8.5%. In my opinion, we should be looking for ~7% on day one of the new deal. The predicted inflation rate for 2024 is 3.6%. So for NEXT year only, we should be looking at 10-11%. For a multi-year deal, we should be looking at maybe 15% over 3 years to stay on track with inflation? Thats not all on day one, thats not all structured in bits either. Its some on day one and some staggered so that workers wages rise with inflation over the course of the next 1/2/3 years.
I am not overly confident on the actual increases we got over the past 3 years, it was a very quick Google. If someone has more accurate figures please correct me. However, this is where I have pulled my "I will vote to reject any deal for less then 10% next year".
It won't be anywhere near to 10%. I think we need to accept that. 8% would be brilliant but I think it'll be closer to 6% which I would accept.
Anyone I have spoken to has no appetite to stand on pickets regardless. The usual old school union / shop heads do but there the ones who always advocate for industrial action. We all know them.
I'm always surprised by the amount of people willing to vote to make themselves poorer.
It's always the same ones in here too. Lets just hope the negotiators aren't as meek and we get a fair deal this time.
6% over 1 year would be fine , certainly not over a longer period.
The last deal was voted yes by over 90% , theres a lot of dreamers on here. But the bulk of voters are rational and pragmatic and know we aint getting 15%.
Some of those are not Union members and don't actually have a vote.
90% of union members, accepted the last deal, based on the recommendation of the union.
Not 90% of all staff as you're conveniently leaving out. We've covered this already.
There has been a lot of recruitment drives being done by the unions lately. (Don't know how successful).
What percentage of the 90% would say it was a fair deal now? A slim minority Id say. As as been said that vote made us poorer, and a lot who voted for it are really feeling the cost of that deal in their pockets now. The unions have a lot to answer for for recommending it.
The calls for 15% and the likes are largely to correct that last deal but as you say that deal was agreed and mistakes were made. People just really feel that they cant afford to get even poorer here.
This period of high inflation has been really bad for public servants. Nobody is voting to get rich, just to retain as much spending power as possible.
If staff who weren't union members had an issue with the last deal then they should have joined up.
I struggle to see the benefits of actually being in the union anymore.
How well do you think pay negotiations would go if there was no Unions at all?
As has been said here before, you never need a Union. Until you do.
I think we'd get the same increases with or without a Union.
The promise of a bit backmoney paid out before christmas is what got it over the line.
"Turkeys voting for Christmas" - was last year's deal, almost literally.
But many regretted it come the January bills - as I predicted they would at the time.
We would in our fawk
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