How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Try telling any Minister of Finance that they're going to have to fund the DB scheme payments for current generation of pensioners plus the DC scheme contributions for the next generation of pensions for a couple of generations, and see how you get on.
Lots of large private sector businesses have incremental scales, where you start at the bottom of the scale and move up over time. Yes, these are subject to performance, as are public sector increments.
What??
That would be a far cheaper option for the country than to pay DB pensions to all public servants …..DB pensions are vastly more expensive than DC schemes for workers .
The general vibe on here isn't really the general vibe in the real world, as you'll often find.
Purely basing talks on inflation is daft. Inflation doesn't hit everyone equally not do the measures the state are taking to address it.
It's part of overall discussions but cannot be the only factor for reasons similar to those discussed above.
DB pensions in the public sector are much different to DB pensions in other sectors, purely because of how they are funded.
The erosion of pension terms in the CS and PS over the past number of decades hasn't really been balanced in an improvement in general terms and conditions - surely something that needs review, particularly at lower grades.
Thats nonsense,there isn't any teacher working a full week on anything close to jobseeker's allowance.
That doesn't solve the problem of funding double pensions for a couple of generations.
It also doesn't solve the problem of the overall remuneration of public servants. If you cut one side, you're going to have to make it up somewhere else, or increase the existing challenges of recruitment.
They are far different.
Jobs will have a salary band and, based on experience/negotiation you can start anywhere on that band. Not like PS where 90% of people start on the bottom of the scale.
There is also no guarantee of increases, if the company does not hit its targets. If the company hits its target you then get judged on your own performance for your bonus and any increase.
It's never something you count on as I've seen a local branch of a FDI company make a "loss" because they sent their profits to the parent company. Meant no bonuses that year.
The poster also stated that you get paid more as your experience increases, again not true and is based on the above. You may never hit your band max, which is why people are advised to move around if they want meaningful salary increases (and to not tell recruiters their salary)
You negotiate your salary and aim for increases, based on whatever local agreement is in place but it is never certain so, yeah, your salary is your salary for the most part.
Seriously? Do you think that 100% of people who study any degree complete it? Do you think that everyone who does then gains employmnent in that profession and doesn't leave it? ffs
It is a documented fact that schools especially in the greater Dublin area are having massive difficulty in recruting teachers. In my kids' secondary the subject options are down to the bare bones.
90%? More like 99.9%
Hahahahah so ya didnt back it up at all. Same as your shite talk about a teachers weekly pay
There ye go, not everyone who goes to university to study to be a teacher ends up being a teacher.
The HEA also publish progression rates i.e. some people drop out.
The stats don't specify if people stay in ireland. There's clearly a huge teacher shortage. It's odd to argue against that.
I didn't say anything about teachers' weekly pay and your rude language indicates nothing other than your lack of an argument
Obviously not everyone does lol
I just gave you the stats that another poster didn't. You complained it wasn't backed up. There's the proof you wanted. Shows the percentage that stay in courses by sector and where they go after university.
What other stats do you want? HEA are the only relevant body with publically available stats here.
Again, what other proof do you require?
It's not nonsense.
"Through schemes like marking, July Provision etc". . . . . they're effectively SECOND jobs. They're not part of teaching. You're basically making my case for me by saying that teachers do well when they take up second jobs.
There's a heck of a difference between a demand for teaching courses and a demand to teach in Ireland.
If people let their employers away with accounting gaming as an excuse for no increments, they need to organise.
It's the same thing.
But they're patently not.
Your salary is set in the private. There MAY be potential for increasing but they're not set increases or guaranteed. You can rock up to a job and get the highest pay immediately but if you startbat the lowest that's really it, you will need to move job for an increase
Too right, absolute nonsense
After deductions it is not absolute nonsense because the teacher is also not entitled to many other SW benefits (like HAP or free medical card) that come with being unemployed.
A full-time new teacher is probably coming out with just over €500 a week after all deductions. They're effectively getting paid around €280 per week more than someone who is unemployed. That's an absolute pittance considering the expectations and demands of the job.
Hopefully you don't teach maths, accounting or economics?
Go and do the job for a week and look at the paypacket and get back to me.
Otherwise STFU.
If only there was some way of knowing what the job paid before taking it...
Extending the teacher training by an extra year was a very bad idea.
The teacher with 15 or 16 years experience is in the top 20% of all income earners in Ireland. That's excluding additional work. That is a fact.
What is in about teachers and the propaganda about how hard they have it. You'd swear you were in the trenches in WWII going to work. Get over yourself.
Teachers have a far higher starting salary than the average and will be inside the top 20% of income earners for the majority of their career.
Is the collective moaning and whinging taught in the teacher training college?
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