How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Services are not meant to make money. Your sector costing money is factored in as part if its operation.
Inflation has driven up the tax take which funds your sector.
By not offering a pay increase coming close to solidified inflation increases means that "raise" will result in a lower percentage of available tax take gets paid to wages.
Government gets higher tax take and lower percentage paid out. Win/Win for them
most private sector employers are budgeting for an average 4% (+or-) pay increase next year
when considerable inflation, paye, prsi, usc, pension levy deductions are taken into account most public sector workers will continue to fall behind the cost of living increases
no wonder nurses, teachers are voting with their feet and leaving dublin and the country
Its just too simplistic to view the government like a business. Their role isn't to make a profit.
Considering all students were given €1000 off their fees this year. I'd say my sector is way worse off.
I agree we should get a pay rise to equal inflation but I don't think your argument makes sense.
Wheres the data that says most private sector employers are budgeting for 4% pay increases? or is that just completely plucked out of the air?
Why are you constantly twisting what I say?
Public services are not to make profit bit it is fair that, when government (our employer), increases tax take with inflation that they don't get to use that inflation to pay us considerably less in terms of their intake
Im not constantly doing anything. I barely reply to any of your posts. Nothing is being twisted.
You're equating the government with business. An increased tax take doesnt mean there is more money floating around to pay public sector workers more. Funding is incredibly complicated but you're only looking at one aspect of the finance for the country. That is because it suits your argument.
I agree we should have a pay rise that is equal to inflation but not because the government is taking in more tax.
"I agree we should have a pay rise that is equal to inflation but not because the government is taking in more tax."
How else would it be funded?
seen it quoted in indo recently:
Well we wont get it again. So i thought it was a little cracker
I haven't got the time to check pay increases by sector since the high inflation started, but here is data for the last five years.
Public admin and education sectors have seen pay rises behind most other sectors.
We could easily get that deal again.
I hope so
given high inflation at moment - one could argue some of these are almost pay cuts
It's November and I haven't so much as heard a thing about negotiations either in the media nor from Fórsa. The current deal expires in two months. Anyone with information on discussions?
Nothing happening at the moment. Some shadow-boxing, something should get going over the next few weeks.
I expect SIPTU to start making noises.
Mounting alarm in Coalition concerning corporation tax receipts
Good thing the unions are taking their time...
despite repeated warnings over the last number of years by the fiscal advisory council it looks like the government have already given all this years money (14.2 billion literal giveaway budget) to pensioners and generational dolers .. whatever it was spent on there wont be much left for actual workers keeping up with inflation/cost of living - if thats the case it will go down like a lead balloon before the next election
That's overly simplistic. Services run at a cost, not a loss. They were never designed or intended to make a profit, so talk of a loss is inflammatory.
I was responding in the context of everything running like a business which is nonsense.
I agree with your point but your choosing to ignore the context.
In my view this will definitely stifle discussions. I think any hopes of getting significant pay increases will be gone as the corporation tax take during the Covid era does now appear to have been a one off.
They'll use any excuse to stifle discussions if they're allowed get away with it.
Like I said, they can find billions for welfare increases. Billions for refugees, and just recently another €13 million pulled out of the hat for humanitarian aid for Palestine.
They can afford to pay a real increase to C&PS. No more excuses.
It's time for a hardening of attitudes, or accept that civil and public servants will always be the bottom of the list of priorities and only receive scraps.
I'd happily take 8percent over 2 years. i think it'll be 6 percent or so though.
I don't see how. The government have repeatedly said the corporation tax receipts are temporary and should not be put against permanent commitments.
After the last corpo tax receipts I am less optimistic now
2.5% in April 24
1.5% or 750 october 24
1.5% or 750 april 25
I'd vote to reject that.
Will the alternative government prioritise workers over welfare do you think...?
This has been well flagged, exceptional circumstances inflated it last year.
I think the union would have had a better negotiating position if corporation tax takes were not decreasing. Fair enough, it has been flagged that the corporation tax take last year was an exception and not something that could be expected year on year.
I think the government will use the decreasing corporation tax take as a reason to make a reduced pay deal offering. 5% or 6% over the next 2 years will be the best offer to be expected in my view.
That would be decent
I really don't see the unions selling a 2.5 or 3% a year pay rise to members. Inflation predicted for 2024 and 2025 is that and I suspect that inflation will be higher than predicted.
Unions are also saying that the shortfall in building momentum deal must be made good in this deal. I think we are looking at 7 to 8% over 2 years. I would say it's front loaded as well, so effect in October 2024 coupled with budget, and election in November 2025.
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