Ukrainian draft requirements can surely be helped by EU states and with help from the large refugee Ukrainian population.
EU states to review all Ukr men of serviceable age and repatriate those with no valid reason to be in their states - back to Ukr to do their duty.
The Ukr refugee population to do so likewise internally and 'pin white feathers' on those they know full well are avoiding their responsibilities.
You Can't mass deport people for no apparent reason, Ukraine isn't an EU state, can see the European courts taking dim view of trying that,and that's before people apply for asylum, there would be legal challenges for decades
You identify the people and check their status with Ukraine. If they've left Ukraine validly that's fine. If they've draft dodged, I don't see any great legal problem with the EU coming up with a legal agreement to repatriate them - where there's a will there's a way. And of course, it would be in EU states interests anyway to reduce unnecessary and illegal war refugees from Ukraine.
I presume of course that you would like to see Ukraine being in a position to fill the ranks needed to further the freedom of their state???
Do we have any evidence that Ukraine's armed forces really do have a shortage of manpower or is it just the influence putin has on some media sources that like to stir up doubts about anyone's ability to stand against his forces?
Nobody in Europe is going to want to deport hundreds of thousands possibly several million men and women to be forced to fight in Ukraine,
Never going to happen there refugees
Please explain why not? I can think of many people in Ireland who are welcoming enough of genuine Ukrainian war refugees - women, children, elderly. But who look on in quiet anger at Ukr males of service age who are here and potentially exploiting the system. Of course, they should be sent back if found to be eligible and needed for service.
Who exactly do you wish to prevail in this struggle? I sometimes wonder.
people in Ireland who are welcoming enough of genuine Ukrainian war refugees - women, children, elderly. But who look on in quiet anger at Ukr males of service age who are here and potentially exploiting the system.
Where are you getting that idea from,
If Ukraine can't find people who want to fight in Ukraine what makes you think forcibly dragging men and women back to Ukraine will change anything you can't force people to fight it they don't want to ,
You want them to be Russia
"I can think of many people in Ireland who are welcoming enough of genuine Ukrainian war refugees ...But who look on in quiet anger at Ukr males of service age who are here and potentially exploiting the system."
Can you Furze? Can you really?
Here's the definition of a refugee: "a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster."
Note the lack of "except for military age men who should go back to where they belong and fight against their will".
Has the Russian assault on Avdiivka been bigger in scale already then the Ukrainian assault down South over the summer? At least the Ukrainian assault made some sort of gains. Praying everyday this Russian attack stalls.
Something is burning in donesk
Those of old enough to remember the invasion of Georgia something's don't seem to ever change, big increase in the Russian population of Georgia and a pretty much puppet prime Minister is making Georgia look next in line for a operation.
Meanwhile, back in the Kremlin, time is not waiting for Putin either, and its something he needs badly...an economy that's heading for major problems, with a dwindling national reserve fund because what the country is earning from its reduced oil and gas sales is not enough to finance Putin's war, so he's digging into the fund. And that's not going to last forever. Nope, Putin is not a happy chappie right now.
Time is on the Ukrainian rather than the Russian side. Putin narrowly avoided a coup in the summer, the Russian economy and army are under massive pressure. Ukraine is more united and has far more international support.
the navy one is mostly irrelevant, good PR but it doesnt affect the battlefield,
It does.
a) It means that Ukraine can start exporting grain again
b) It pushes back Russian cruisers that have the ability to launch missiles against Ukrainian targets.
In complete contrast to the story yesterday, which claimed Zelenskiy "does not accept realities".
Russian offensive ended up being an epic failure capturing nothing and losing a small army worth of equipment and several battalions in Russian mince meat assaults
he is a senior Time correspondent and he did the Zelensky Man of the year interview in 2022, and unless Time are lying he is reporting from Kyiv, so unless you can find me other articles that contradict what he is saying, his points stand.
BY SIMON SHUSTER/KYIV
OCTOBER 30, 2023 8:00 AM EDT
He was born in Moscow in 80s
Family emigrated to US in 89
Simon Shuster is not his original Russian name
He went back to Russia in 2006 and worked in various Russian newspapers until joining Time in 2013 and writing more or less exclusively about Russia including gushing about the invasion of Crimea
You are welcome to read his articles yourself here
https://time.com/author/simon-shuster/
He is one of those Russians who emigrated but never assimilated into his new country and ended up being a useful idiot for Russian propaganda with TASS spending most of this week spreading fud via amplifiers like yourself
His job since 2014 has been to seed fear, uncertainty and doubt while appearing to be “western”
He was given access to spend time in Ukraine which just shows how open they are to journalists unlike Russia who keep foreign journalists in prison or worse
Speaking of Russians out of Russia
There's a nuance you're both overlooking... There is a military agreement in place since 2021, which allows the US to use any Jordanian military facility to base operations there. Before the October attacks, there was circa 2500 US troops in Jordan.
On the back of this, the US can easily deploy their assets (they're not giving them to Jordan) under the guise of protecting US troops (there is a number of facilities in use throughout the country by the US).
Similar in the way the deployed batteries to NATO countries at the beginning of Russian aggression.
So while the optics don't look great, there is a lot of background foundations in place to facilitate this type of movement. They're not just landing there and doing it, or giving the equipment to Jordan.
EU gas storage 99% full storing in Ukraine now
Add “losing the energy war” to the list of Russian failures of 2023
All Russian gas transit to likes of Austria, Hungary and other Russian aligned countries via Ukraine will stop in new year
north stream was destroyed by Russians
and steep transit fees are being added and once onto southern route
https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/analyses/2023-10-26/bulgaria-introduces-additional-fees-russian-gas-transit
Them Russia aligned puppets in land locked Central Europe about to find out why cooperation is key to EU membership
Where do I get that idea from? Neighbours and others I talk to. Why should Ukr men of service age and who are wanted back to do their duty, be sheltering here as refugees?? If they legally meet the requirements for service back in Ukraine, left the state and came here as refugees - then they are draft dodgers. Simple as. What's the point of us citizens here taking a substantial economic hit in terms of rising cost of living, impact on housing and tourism etc etc if Ukr citizens that are refugees here are draft dodging??
Gatling - you often comment rightly on the slow response of EU & US etc in the supply of weapons and munitions to Ukraine, the drip drip. Ukraine needs more than just weapons and munitions, it needs people to use them. That is why it is perfectly correct that such draft dodgers that are found to be here and in other EU states, should be repatriated/ deported - whatever term you want.
You cant force people to fight it's just that simple ,and no country is going to start mass Deportations of refugees to be sent to war zone ,there here and they have protections it doesn't matter what opinion you may have about them but that's not going to change anything
This EU funded site now has a long list of anti Semitic and anti Ukrainian (often there is an overlap) propaganda examples from Russian media
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/anti-semitism-and-pro-kremlin-disinformation/
all of these examples can be seen in threads on this forum
Debtors go to war
So, if a debtor dies in Ukraine (which is likely), how will the banks then retrieve the money?
It's probably pointless trying to understand russian logic but surely I'm missing something here. Is this yet another incredibly stupid idea?
Well explain why countries organise drafts for conscription in times of war so..
Ukraine set out clear criteria early days for those who could leave the state and those who were required to stay.
If we have Ukr citizens here who left illegally, sorry they are not genuine war refugees - they are draft dodgers.
It's really a very simple distinction. There is no question of mass deportations of war refugees but deportation of draft dodgers is required asap.
Let any such draft dodgers be sent back and Ukraine can then decide if they should be forced to fight, there well be many other roles that they can usefully be allocated to.
A side aspect of this is that when this s* show is over, I would expect that many Ukr war refugees will want to return to family there and help rebuild their state. We don't want to be saddled with draft dodgers who say they can't show their faces there and as a result claiming asylum. This has to be headed off at the pass - get them back asap to do their bit.
They fled a war so they are in fact genuine refugees and pretty sure it was be a violation of International law, what you're proposing.
Debts likely cleared on death but this being Russia they will pass the debt along to the next family member
It is never going to happen,wether its right or wrong, the Irish government wouldn't like the optics of it so it pointless even talking about it, and besides there would have to be a certain percentage of those perfectly healthy "fighting aged" men who fled because they were Ukrainians who were sympathetic to Russia, so did not want to fight for Ukraine against Russia but also didn't want to fight for Russia either,
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