How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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"Pay them feck all and they will take bribes"
Is that the reason we pay them so much?
What is it with politicians you think makes them more succeptable to bribes Vs a Garda?
Being a Garda has a progression route. You move up the ranks and specialise.
Becoming a TD is to represent a huge portion of your community and the entire country. It involves understanding legislation, drafting it, providing critical analysis on topics at a Government level. TDs also represent their communities and talk with locals on a weekly basis at their clinics. The job is temporary and may last 1 year or may last a lifetime on 5 year cycles. To get it, you must be elected and a high proportion of people must vote for you.
Yeah, I am happy for TD's to be well compensated. Not many people want to do it.
As an aside, how do you want jobs to be priced? Its is a hard job, that is as good a metric as any to price it....
Im not conversing with someone who thinks a TD , elected by us should be on a Heos salary.
Yet you did...
So are Gardaí paid enough to escape this bribe threat, you speak of? Or is it just politicians and you think that they have a weak character?
Being a Garda is a **** hard job. I've no issue with them having a decent wage...
So we've come from "They need the huge, relative, salaries/expenses" to "Shur it's a hard job"
They are meant to be representative of the people yet are insulated from all the financial decisions they make
Your comment is too idiotic to respond to.
Being a TD is a **** hard job. I've no issue with them having a decent wage and I don't understand people who throw stones at them.
So we should be paying Gardaí as PO then, to not take bribes?
Medical clerical officers obviously take bribes every day, to bump people up the lists?
If they were paid less and didn't have a double salary, in expenses, they might actually have the smallest understanding of what "average" earners lives are like
Thats mad they were heos but in fairness i think a TD on POs pay make sense. Pay them feck all and they will take bribes , people might laugh at that but Ireland ranks very low on the corrupt scale.
Once upon a time TDs pay was linked to HEO, it's now linked to PO... and how many days a year does the Dail sit again?
I know they say they spend vast amounts of time doing things for constituents, but (a) they're supposed to be legislators not errand boys (b) that sort of stuff is purely in their own self-interest to get re-elected.
I always thought we probably suffer a bit for having the politicians pay linked.
Politicians will want to avoid news stories where they also get a big* pay rise if the cost of living is going up also. Decoupling some groups may be worth it but I'm not sure how you negotiate for each group.
* your definition of big may vary
That's the thing, you can see the spectrum of interests here on this forum and how divisive that is, how many don't give a fiddlers? We don't know or have any idea how many are in the union even. Some care about more money in pocket, others more time off/ wfh. With the election in 2025 why would gov stir the hornets nest, easier to focus on winning votes and shove this issue under the carpet.
The one model fits all is hamstringing everyone, in that regard. Breaking certain roles out of the agreement is a sure fire way to cause unrest, while not breaking people out is going to continue current problems
thats one option - they will certainly have to improve offering in certain areas where staff are hemorrhaging e.g. education, defence
I think there will be a incentive payment whereby remote or blended working is not available
E.g. the teachers, nurses, guards, and other PS or CS workers with no option to work a few days from home. I am not one of these but makes practical sense no?
sinn fein have started already a few weeks ago
I can't remember the last time a canvasser knocked at my door, for any election.
The later the talks go on the better for us i think anyway,with a Ge coming and local elections they will not want pissed off people opening there doors and getting an ear full.
We are never going to agree on what is fair.
Because what I believe is fair, is an increase that will not be totally swallowed by inflation over the term of the deal, in reality leaving C&PS financially poorer due to the loss of spending power at the end of it.
While you seem to think anyone looking for that, is "greedy".
There are multiple posts from others explaining in some detail how the last deal was more than erased by inflation, but you are just ignoring this, and still going on about "the 7% we just got".
Maybe go back and read some of those.
But you havent actually said whats fair? Just 10 isnt.
A little bit of self-awareness goes a long way.
It's not even an increase. It's trying to avoid becoming poorer
An extra day off isn't going to pay my gas bill
Expecting a fair increase is not "being greedy".
Haha yeah i dont want increased free money. Course i want the most possible. But i dont like people spreading crap either , just makes people look greedy tbh.
Different perspectives I suppose, I’d be happy with a mix like that.
And we're back to this.
You know, for someone who says you want the greatest increase possible, you sure don't sound like it.
Well thankfully your ridiculous expectations are in the minority. Wouldnt take 10 is just daft.
So what? I don't particularly care what is happening in other countries. Someone asked a question, I gave an answer.
And we didn't "just get 7 or 8% recently" either.
We got drip fed small increases in stages that were immediately swallowed and outstripped by inflation - the last 1.5% just this month.
Just like we won't get "another 7% now" either - but will get small, drip fed increases (over the next 2 years?) that will again, be outstripped by inflation.
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