How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
Mod warning:
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425200/#Comment_121425200
Oh think of the children! Scraping the barrel now. I know 3 mates retrained as teacher recently, a good gig that suits family life, not everyone lives in Dublin. Most companies/ agencies are looking for staff
We struggle to get any IT applicants
they will probably have to offer some sectors like teachers extra incentives if they wish to retain and recruit staff in current environment
once staff are gone very hard to get them back again
The answer is no. Same with the brits. But lets pretend this would be the first increase during this period of inflation.
Suuure.
My kids' school can't recruit teachers, do you think pay cuts will help with that? Leaving cert subject options are now close to non-existent.
I don't know, why don't you do some research yourself?
Did they get 7 or 8 recently before that?
Moved from private to the CS and it's a much easier place to work - wage increases every few month/increments, time off galore, training all you want, wfh, flexi, delivery of services is important for some alright but not many. Have seen how the CS deal with the spitters/dead wood, promote them out or off to a new agency with yis, it's a sad state of affairs, thing is I could never go back now as it's too handy/secure and with another war possibly breaking out/ economy looking shaky it's a bit much to be banging on about a major wage increase for the CS.
More money didn't help the HSE, now they just expect it.
workers will be lucky to get 4% over 1 year that seems to be average pay rise private companies are budgeting for next year in a tight employment market
Taxes are going up in line with inflation and in some cases well beyond that... why do you think it's a good idea to make public servants poorer? How do you think that will help to deliver better public services?
Oops hit a nerve methinks.
Didn't seem to sink in the last time but of course they did. If a union you're not a member of is on strike you still have to report for work or its a disciplinary matter. Wtf did you expect them to do?
the poor mouth stories about not able to eat/wanting increase in line with inflation are nonsense, you can leave comfy secure role or go for promotion handy enough. Gov knows it’s all bluff
im happy to let the union moan bags do all the work negotiating, they’re least effective in getting things done but handy for this
Wind your neck in. Don't be taking your chip in the shoulder attitude with me. If you don't like the pay there are plenty of private sector jobs to apply for. I quit the union because the representation I was getting wasn't worth the money I was paying. As I've said. Colleagues of mine in different unions walked passed me on a picket. I'll be cartwheeling in by them this time.
You can't just impose cuts on commercial contracts at will. In the ICT sector, many suppliers would walk away and pick up business elsewhere, leaving the public sector further starved of key resource on cyber security, governance, emerging technologies and more.
Already posted. Belgium. Pay increases across the board private and public linked directly to inflation.
I can't eat increased annual leave or reduced working week.
Vast majority? You're ignoring SIPTU which has a lot of membership in the public service. Oh and wtf did you expect staff in other unions not on strike to do exactly, that's a pretty bizarre reason to quit the union tbh, it's OK if you just wanted to keep the few quid in your pocket and free ride you can just say so.
Governments have shown time and time again that the easiest way to cut public spending is pay freeze/cuts and leave vacancies unfilled. So no thanks.
FWIW I don’t think most on the lower side of the pay scales would not vote to strike because of any satisfaction with an offer or contentment in anyway, it’s more likely they couldn’t face a sustained period of time without their wages
Whatever about losing one day a month (or whatever it was 10-15 years ago - ineffectual either way) - most simply couldn’t afford an all out strike now
I don't know if it matches inflation or all the details, but it looks like Germany got a good deal - partial flat rate and partial percentage increases.
Minimum increase of €340 a month which would be great for lower paid workers.
(eta) Plus, all Belgian employees (which I presume includes their public sector employees) got increases of 11.6% tied to inflation this year.
Can you point to an example across Europe where Public increases have met inflation?
I'd love 10 percent. I just don't think it's a realistic target.
10% wouldn’t cover inflation, if the government aren’t willing to give that then they’d need to make up for that with increased annual leave or reduced working week.
Pay rises below the rate of inflation over time will lead to public servants ending up much worse off financially, The vast majority are hard working and don’t deserve that.
I've experienced a situation where a working to rule caused a lot of tension and friction in the office as staff who were trying to stick to the work-to-rule were being pressured (or more accurately, bullied) by their bosses to try and make them work as normal - and it was held against them later, if they didn't.
Non-union members don't have to comply with a work-to-rule either.
I honestly don't know which is better. Neither is a great option.
Apologies I will clarify. I would no on industrial action is what I mean.
If you don't like the thread nobody is forcing you to view it?
Cheers. So even if there was a strike the vast majority of staff would have to pass the picket. A targeted work to rule would surely be more efficient.
Fair enough.
I think Fórsa is approx 80k and AHCPS is approx 3k. Not sure of any others.
You would vote no on a deal that you do not know the details of yet? Class. Quality thread
I withdrew from the union. I was pissed off when we were on pickets and other grades walked in by us. Farcical stuff. If I had a vote I would vote no.
Any idea what membership numbers are like?
No, I genuinely didn't.
I genuinely assumed you were a union member, given how you've always spoken of how you would vote, and that you've walked pickets before.
You know I don't.
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://we.vanillicon.com/v2/ee3bbaed7151f7c3b682bc3fc04ae67e.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://wd.vanillicon.com/v2/dbd35c43580ff62b54e9919958f2a898.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://wd.vanillicon.com/v2/d38dadd4e9049f636f3a15f844846484.svg)
