How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Would you go on strike for a week or two?
Me personally, yes I would, even though I wouldn't enjoy it. Because I think until it actually comes to that, all C&PS will ever get is the crumbs of the table.
It would be short term pain for long term gain. I've been on strike before, as I know you have.
But there is little threat of it happening now with the current membership, and the Government are well aware of that.
inflation this year is set to average 7%
next year approx 3.5% that could increase/ decrease with trouble in middle east ..
election coming up shortly too so workers will need fair increase
I'be said it before and I'll say it again.
Forget the strike talk, work to rule is far more effective.
There is so much doom and gloom in this thread. We have no idea what the deal will be or what the unions will recommend at the end of the talks.
If the unions recommend rejecting the deal, I'm sure there would be a strike.
What's union membership numbers these days? I'm not a member myself.
So you actually don't have a vote?
You know I don't.
No, I genuinely didn't.
I genuinely assumed you were a union member, given how you've always spoken of how you would vote, and that you've walked pickets before.
I withdrew from the union. I was pissed off when we were on pickets and other grades walked in by us. Farcical stuff. If I had a vote I would vote no.
Any idea what membership numbers are like?
You would vote no on a deal that you do not know the details of yet? Class. Quality thread
Fair enough.
I think Fórsa is approx 80k and AHCPS is approx 3k. Not sure of any others.
Cheers. So even if there was a strike the vast majority of staff would have to pass the picket. A targeted work to rule would surely be more efficient.
Apologies I will clarify. I would no on industrial action is what I mean.
If you don't like the thread nobody is forcing you to view it?
I've experienced a situation where a working to rule caused a lot of tension and friction in the office as staff who were trying to stick to the work-to-rule were being pressured (or more accurately, bullied) by their bosses to try and make them work as normal - and it was held against them later, if they didn't.
Non-union members don't have to comply with a work-to-rule either.
I honestly don't know which is better. Neither is a great option.
10% wouldn’t cover inflation, if the government aren’t willing to give that then they’d need to make up for that with increased annual leave or reduced working week.
Pay rises below the rate of inflation over time will lead to public servants ending up much worse off financially, The vast majority are hard working and don’t deserve that.
Can you point to an example across Europe where Public increases have met inflation?
I'd love 10 percent. I just don't think it's a realistic target.
I don't know if it matches inflation or all the details, but it looks like Germany got a good deal - partial flat rate and partial percentage increases.
Minimum increase of €340 a month which would be great for lower paid workers.
(eta) Plus, all Belgian employees (which I presume includes their public sector employees) got increases of 11.6% tied to inflation this year.
FWIW I don’t think most on the lower side of the pay scales would not vote to strike because of any satisfaction with an offer or contentment in anyway, it’s more likely they couldn’t face a sustained period of time without their wages
Whatever about losing one day a month (or whatever it was 10-15 years ago - ineffectual either way) - most simply couldn’t afford an all out strike now
Governments have shown time and time again that the easiest way to cut public spending is pay freeze/cuts and leave vacancies unfilled. So no thanks.
Vast majority? You're ignoring SIPTU which has a lot of membership in the public service. Oh and wtf did you expect staff in other unions not on strike to do exactly, that's a pretty bizarre reason to quit the union tbh, it's OK if you just wanted to keep the few quid in your pocket and free ride you can just say so.
I can't eat increased annual leave or reduced working week.
Already posted. Belgium. Pay increases across the board private and public linked directly to inflation.
You can't just impose cuts on commercial contracts at will. In the ICT sector, many suppliers would walk away and pick up business elsewhere, leaving the public sector further starved of key resource on cyber security, governance, emerging technologies and more.
Wind your neck in. Don't be taking your chip in the shoulder attitude with me. If you don't like the pay there are plenty of private sector jobs to apply for. I quit the union because the representation I was getting wasn't worth the money I was paying. As I've said. Colleagues of mine in different unions walked passed me on a picket. I'll be cartwheeling in by them this time.
the poor mouth stories about not able to eat/wanting increase in line with inflation are nonsense, you can leave comfy secure role or go for promotion handy enough. Gov knows it’s all bluff
im happy to let the union moan bags do all the work negotiating, they’re least effective in getting things done but handy for this
Oops hit a nerve methinks.
Didn't seem to sink in the last time but of course they did. If a union you're not a member of is on strike you still have to report for work or its a disciplinary matter. Wtf did you expect them to do?
Taxes are going up in line with inflation and in some cases well beyond that... why do you think it's a good idea to make public servants poorer? How do you think that will help to deliver better public services?
workers will be lucky to get 4% over 1 year that seems to be average pay rise private companies are budgeting for next year in a tight employment market
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