He would then have to orchestrate refusal for 45 billion in funding for the Wall, Israel and Taiwan which is lumped in with 60 billion for Ukraine
which would sink and split his party at a critical year
Probably won't work like that,
The problem is Ukraine is blowing through a series amount of artillery in the meantime and the cost of shells is rapidly increasing,it's heading to 8000 + per shell , Biden is trying to put tens of billions into Ukraine because he knows his time in office is now likely limited,he's asking for 60 billion for Ukraine but what is the figure he's actually going to get I can see Republicans and democrats splitting that bill with less going to Ukraine than expected
Lol he already flip flopped
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Johnson claimed to reporters that he's never opposed funding or aid for Ukraine.
"We'll be talking about the support and what's necessary to get it," Johnson said. "We have to ensure Vladimir Putin is not successful, and I think all the House Republicans are united in that cause."
US has 5 million+ 155 cluster shells, each one does the job of 10 normal shells
and US wants to get rid of this class of weapon
The Pentagon will find a way, just like they found a way to deliver ATACMs in weeks despite you claiming it will take months
I would strongly advise against getting into a slogging match over this subject with certain posters. You'll only end up with heartburn.
The vote will be called unless he wants to go against the wall and Israel.
Just a btw to other posters who find the Ignore functionality on the new vanilla boards a bit lacking. I know myself I'm sometimes tempted to click on the blocked element and read posts from posters who i think scutter the thread.
If you use uBlock Origin for ad blocking I wrote a simple selector which completely hides Ignored posters. Just pop this into your "My Filters" section.
boards.ie##.IgnoreHide
I haven't tested it extensively yet but it seems to work well so far. Doesn't block quoted posts though. 🤔
Putin's plan is working.
He remains a master strategist..
View of Putin by recent defector..confirms what most people think already.
'An officer with the Kremlin's bodyguard agency who defected last year over his opposition to the Ukraine invasion provided intimate details about Russian President Vladimir Putin to a London-based investigative group, describing him as "paranoid" and calling him a "war criminal."
The defector, Gleb Karakulov, was a captain in the Federal Protection Service (FSO) at the time of his defection in October. He told the Dossier Center group that he was able to defect on October 14 after a business trip to Kazakhstan on which his wife and daughter accompanied him. On the last day of the trip, the trio flew to Istanbul with no intention of ever returning to Russia.
The Dossier Center, which is funded by Russian opposition figure and Putin critic Mikhail Khodorkovsky, shared more than 10 hours of recordings and transcripts of several interviews it had conducted with Karakulov since his defection with media outlets and for the first time published details on April 4 revealing his comments.
“Our president has become a war criminal,” he said. “It’s time to end this war and stop being silent.”
Karakulov worked as an engineer in the department that provided secret communications for Putin and was responsible for setting up secure communications for the Russian president wherever he went.'
He goes on to state..
'In the interviews, he compared the Putin he observed in 2009 with the current president of Russia as "two different people," comments that tally with what others have said.
“Now he is very closed. He has protected himself from the whole world with all sorts of barriers, the same quarantine, the lack of information. His perception of reality has been distorted,” One of the details he provided was that the Russian president does not use a mobile phone or the Internet.'
"All the information he receives is only from people who are directly close. He lives in a kind of information vacuum," said Karakulov.'
Sounsa a lot like Hitler towards the end.
Putin doesnt use the Internet! I hope his daily briefings include this thread and Darth Putin from Twitter.
I'd hate to think of all those zingers being ignored.
Also known as the Irish position on supporting them so we shouldn't criticise.
I wonder why they aren't training Ukrainians on modern American helicopters.
It's never made a trendy hashtag
And the minor matter of expanding its NATO border !
It did take months to deliver atacms because we've been talking about for months on here after it was initially announced
New accounts for ya not seeming to know a lot about what's going on
And Russia becoming a vassal of China and puppet of North Korea!
Which version of him? Original or one of the xerox copies?
The promised 1 million artillery shells by March 2024 has more or less failed the west has so far only managed 30% of the shells needed to date talking about a slap in the face for Ukraine, they were promised 1 million rounds this year and 3 million shells the following year .
The stress of being his double must place a lot of pressure on the heart. It's a job for life I'd imagine.
I really hate Twitter journalism.
"EU scraps plans!" Except they haven't scrapped any plans.
Surely "EU misses targets" would be a more accurate headline, and ripe for puns.
True but the in the real world they failed to deliver on the promise of 1 million shells by March when they didn't have the production facilities or the contacts to get the shells as promised,
Notice how he subtly changed EU in his post to the “west”
EU is obviously not the “west” and is a subset of the “west”, not helping as much as it wants mainly thanks to Orban dragging feet and EU industrial capacity being gutted by decades of complacency (and ESG policies which make it impossible get funding for weapons production) arising from belief that US will rescue us from any military problems, just look at the Ireland in NATO thread
And a population that only in last year woke up to the fact that the world is a dangerous place with people (from Africa through Middle East to Russia) who hate us (yet trip over to get here) for being successful and rich and … free
Remind us now, when was the official announcement that Ukraine were to receive ATACMS?
Can I ask where the figure of 8,000 plus comes from? Does it include the costs of charge, barrell replacement and training? I thought the figure was closer to 500-1000 per shell:
If ordinary unguided shells are becoming so expensive now due to shortages etc, then GMLRS, Excalibur etc are become relatively even better value and will likely drop in price due to economies of scale.
Oh I agree, but the language doesn't match the facts. It's unnecessarily dramatic and makes implications that may not exist.
"You won't BELIEVE what the EU did next!!!"
Twitter is such a cess pit.
It's not a flip per se. I've always maintained (though not always to much agreement) that the MAGA Republican opposition to sending money to Ukraine was a purely opportunistic political move against the Democrats, and that with the exception of e.g. Margorie Taylor Green, they are not ideologically opposed to it. Indeed, even Trump's comments are that if Putin didn't enter a peace agreement he would give Ukraine even more weapons:
Long story short, it is Russian propaganda to suggest that the Republicans will come into power and stop funding Ukraine. Only a small number are ideologically or politically opposed to it. Republicans main issue is that they don't like that the Democrats are currently funding Ukraine. Most Republicans are in favour of US support for Ukraine, they just want to be in charge when it is done and are willing to use it as a stick to beat the Democrats with.
The EU though need to put a serious lean on European armaments manufacturers - what's the point in manufacturing basic armaments & munitions if you then prescribe when they can be used and by who.
The EU should be on top of German manufactures and I sincerely hope that states like Switzerland are and will be severely punished economically if they refuse to co-operate. In times of emergency you find out who your real friends are and cut ties with wasters.
The EU plan was to deliver 1m shells by March, 2024. March, 2024 hasn't happened yet. So far they have delivered, according to your article, 300,000. I find this figure strange as other sources report that 220,000 shells were delivered by May, 2023:
However, most of those probably came from stockpiles or purchases. The next stage is joint orders from arms manufacturers, in both the EU and outside the EU. They have another 5 months or so to come up with the goods from that, and given that it requires orders to be placed, shells to be manufactured and delivered to the EU before being shipped to Ukraine, it is reasonable to expect that these deliveries will be more concentrated towards the end of the year rather than the start. This phase could include purchasing shells from outside the EU which might free up existing stockpiles, much as the Americans are doing:
Finally, the third phase is for the EU to help increase to produce domestic output of shells. There are a number of positive stories in this regard:
That's just four countries' arms manufacturers who are increasing their supply in 2023, and again in 2024.
Bear in mind that shell production is covered in secrecy and so it is hard to say exactly what is going on. A lot of countries are seeking to minimise their involvement:
Also worth considering that since Ukraine can also use 152mm shells in ex soviet artillery pieces. Countries in the former Soviet sphere and who previously bought soviet stocks might sell their shells to the EU to give to Ukraine, but will want to do so very quietly so as not to antagonise Russia.
And of course every time you point to the EU problems with producing unguided artillery shells with the clear insinuation that NATO are falling behind in production capacity in this one over emphasised area, I feel it is my duty to point out, for balance, what NATO is really interested in increasing production of:
These are of course hugely expensive compared to unguided rounds. However, if a €50k guided artillery round can successfully blow up an ammunition dump of 100+ unguided shells, then it is easily wiping its face. When you then add in that 1 round is much easier to transport and store than 100, that it uses up less charge and barrell and that it does not require the same level of training to be accurate, it really is a no brainer.
Meanwhile Russia claims it is manufacturing up to 2 million shells a year (though I suspect most of this is taking old shells, giving them a lick of paint and calling them new/refurbished) and yet they aren't keeping up the intensity of fires that they had at the start of the war.
This was a longer post than I had anticipated, so the TLDR version is that it is too early to say if the EU has failed to deliver on its promise. If it promises a million and only provides 700k, that is less than ideal but it is far from bad. And if they make up for it by providing an amount of guided munitions that can service an equivalent number of targets to the shortfall, then that isn't a bad day's work at all. While there are undoubtedly problems in producing more shells, these problems are not due to a lack of money or resources by the EU so much as the significant question mark over whether the production of large volumes of unguided shells is a sustainable future business model. The overemphasis of the EU's failure, and claims of Russia's success in this area is just Russian propaganda that you are unwittingly contributing to. And as a final point, it doesn't matter how many shells you produce, it is how effective you are in making those shells hit their targets.
Here's an article here and another more detailed article detailing the whole situation are artillery and artillery production. Your Excalibur shells are 100,000 per shell
Boards maintenance again.
None of anything above is new information it's been documented for since last year there was no massive increase comes from the EU or west despite claims the whole military industry was operating on a War footing which absolutely isn't true,
It seems the majority of shells has come from other countries stocks ,it's going to take years to Produce the numbers for Ukraine,and yes you can look at Excalibur shells for hitting targets such as ammo dumps,but the biggest issue artillery is being used as infantry and armour and not ammunition dumps which are being hit with Himars depending on what's needed
I think there are several issues here and some like Rheinmetal and French companies are very publicly increasing capacity
If EU can somehow tackle those two issues or maybe even individual eu states
We had videos of last week of Ukrainians destroying a whole armoured tank and personnel carriers column with a handful of shells
money well spent
we also in same week had 3 million of ATACMs rockets destroying 230 million (6%) of russian helicopters
For Russia quantity is important because the place is a basketcase
For modern militaries intelligence, precision and quality accomplishes more as was so clearly illustrated in videos posted here
Good post. Unfortunately I can say from experience that your effort is wasted on this poster.
You mention that "it doesn't matter how many shells you produce, it is how effective you are in making those shells hit their targets".
But I think a bigger factor at play is the range of the logistics trail for said shells.
The days where Russia could simply pound a position with overwhelming artillery barrages and then storm a position to take ground km by km are gone. I expect a certain uptick in shell usage by the Russians soon due to the NK shells. But probably not by much. Their entire strategy for moving forward after their initial failed assault relied on a 10:1 artillery advantage. Anything short of this and the regular Russian military have shown a complete lack of ability to take ground. And that's down to HIMARS. The amount of shells that they can fire is limited not just by how many shells they have overall but by how close they can stockpile them to the firing positions.
So it doesn't really matter if they get 2 million shells more if they can't get them to the front in time. Any significant stockpile of shells within 60km of the frontline are gonna get a visit from GMLRS. And soon that number will probably rise to 120km when GLSDB arrives.
In short Russia could have 100 billion shells up their arse if they like. But it won't help them at all if they have to ship them 1 by 1 via horseback across 120km.
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