How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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So you actually don't have a vote?
What's union membership numbers these days? I'm not a member myself.
There is so much doom and gloom in this thread. We have no idea what the deal will be or what the unions will recommend at the end of the talks.
If the unions recommend rejecting the deal, I'm sure there would be a strike.
I'be said it before and I'll say it again.
Forget the strike talk, work to rule is far more effective.
inflation this year is set to average 7%
next year approx 3.5% that could increase/ decrease with trouble in middle east ..
election coming up shortly too so workers will need fair increase
Me personally, yes I would, even though I wouldn't enjoy it. Because I think until it actually comes to that, all C&PS will ever get is the crumbs of the table.
It would be short term pain for long term gain. I've been on strike before, as I know you have.
But there is little threat of it happening now with the current membership, and the Government are well aware of that.
Would you go on strike for a week or two?
The State already knows they don't have to offer more than 6% or 7%, because they know people won't quit, and too many are willing to just accept whatever lowball first offer is made, and go quietly on their way for another couple of years.
Why would they offer more?
The outcome is pre-determined and its so predictable.
This post shows a misunderstanding of inflation.
If, as the poster says, the was a paltry pay increase of 3% next year, and 1.5% the two following years, that means that even were inflation to drop to 2% in Years 2 and 3, public servants would be losing purchasing power each year (by ~1% the first year and 0.5% the next two years). This seems fairly unacceptable.
Even if inflation does drop to 2% over the next few years (a big if) that does not mean prices for the "supply of goods and services" revert to their previous levels. Instead, prices remain where they are - which almost 20% higher than they were 3 years ago.
For prices to actually drop back to 2019 levels, we would have to see high deflation. This is unlikely to happen, especially given that significant deflation has only occured about 3 times in the history of the state.
Short of a major economic crash (and likely even then) prices are staying up. Wages must rise accordingly if we want a skilled, fully-functioning public sector.
Pay rises for existing staff and recruiting new staff are different things though.
As I mentioned before, they could change the starting entry point on the scale rather than actual rises. Or look at a Dublin bonus but, well, that will cause ructions as already discussed.
But they know the vast majority of public servants will grumble but won't leave.
They're doing three streams for IT specialists at the moment. Now, I personally think HEO doesn't really mean IT specialist, but I'd be really curious as to what level of applications they're getting
People dreaming again! No way on earth the Gov.will listen to a double digit pay increase.Remember we are Public Servants for a reason!!! Best we can hope for is 3% in year 1 and perhaps 1.5% in year 2 and same in year 3...that's if its a 3 yr agreement which I doubt it will be.Giving a 'big' 3% in yr 1 will be the best that can be hoped for. Remember the rate of inflation is coming down and by year 2 or yr 3 of a new agreement we could be down to the EU hoped for 2% inflation rate and the yr 2 and yr 3 wage % increase will look OK when compared with the then inflation rate.
Really what the Gov. should be doing is getting all suppliers in for a chat and threatening 'fines' if the supply of goods and services does not show a downward curve over a certain few months. Of course the Gov. will say they cannot interfere in this.Remember they sort of brought energy suppliers in and sort of told them to bring prices down...and of course, they sort of told the banks to give better saving rate....so its all just sort of........
If we didn't have the extortion we could survive with low enough wage increases. Yes, we missed out big time over the years from 2010 'til the present with FEMPI ,etc ,yes, we are an easy target and will remain so.Industrial unrest will not heal matters. Unions are TFU (totally fcuking useless!) when it comes to pay negotiations nowadays!
But that completely ignores the problem of not being able to recruit competent staff. It's been hopeless in IT for a long time but it's everywhere now.
Jaysus, hope that the Government negotiation team are clones of you
Irish inflation:
2021 ~ 2.5%
2022 ~ 8%
2023 ~ 6%
(100 * 1.025 * 1.08 * 1.06 = 117.5%)
Between Jan 2021 and Dec 2023 inflation will have been 17.5%. That's a significant reduction of public servants' actual purchasing power.
And this will be further compounded by continued high rates of inflation next year.
What were the pay increases across the same time period?
I don't think a double digit pay increase this time round is an unreasonable ask.
Parts of TUSLA and HSE are already beginning industrial action for conditions changes.
Union seems to be getting angsty
I see the local authroties are threatening strikes , maybe that will speed up the talks.
Oh yeah i mean ill vote for 10 across the board. We wont get 10 like.
I think the bigger question is, are you saying you'd quit your job and go to the private sector? That's what the State is betting when they negotiate.
No I'd be happy with 20 percent. I doubt that'll happen though so I'd take 8 percent.
Not a chance I'm standing on a picket line. No **** way. Not after the debacle last time.
Are we all saying that we're happy taking a pay cut so?
Yeah, a "big" increase at the start like 4 with two others around 2 or something over two years?
Not a chance of 10 percent obviously. It'll be between 6 and 8 I'm guessing. I'd also think most people will accept this deal.
You say you don't disagree, but you have been vocal that you would vote to accept such a deal again anyway!
This is were we will always differ.
Caviar will remain a dream so!!!
Hahaha
Where would a CO even get the time to post on Boards!
But yes, something better for lower grades would be good
I dont disagree here. But id wager there isnt a lot of lower grades posting on boards with the age demogrpahic
I really feel they need to look at the lower grades this time, it is getting impossible to recruit and retain staff.
Inflation was higher then the rate increase from the last agreement. Inflation would outstrip a 7% rise over the next two years.
10% is probably unlikely but perfectly reasonable.
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