Great effort and Ireland's best world cup performance wise
What a game for the casual viewers!
Ireland needed the set piece to work well and it didn't. Well targeted by Nz. Congrats to them
New Zealand lost in quarters in 2007 so would have been same as then. I see where you are coming from. of course what went before will play a role. natural but how do we change it? Thats the million dollar question....
Thats a bit OTT. Wouldnt say worst loss in history irish sport but yeah very disappointing.
Probably the worst loss in the history of Irish sport. Added to the fact that we'll never see the likes of Johnny Sexton again. Am more down today than last night. Strange atmosphere in the air in town this morning. Like someone died.
I know nothing about rugby and all I watched of this RWC was the last 20 minutes of the game last night.
And one thing that I am noticing in this thread is that it's very like what we Mayo people say after an All Ireland final loss.
The consolation that it's small margins, which is true, but what I also notice is the idea that what happened in previous years has no bearing on what just happened.
I'll argue that it does.
What happened last night?
Ireland lost the game narrowly and the overall reaction was that NZ were just better, and Ireland were unlucky, and that they had a great tournament besides and there is always next time.
So because Ireland have always fallen at this hurdle, falling at it again is not that big a deal, the ground work for the disappointment has already been done by previous teams through the years
These guys are no different than the same guys in 1991.
So players come into the game knowing that losing now is nothing new, or special, or that they won't go down in history for losing now.
And I think that is in the players heads, somewhere.
Now look at it from the NZ point of view.
If they lost that match they would go down in history as the first NZ side to get knocked out at this stage, that would weight heavy on the players.
So what went before does have an effect, when a player is on that field looking for that something inside him to put in the extra effort but struggling to find it, somewhere inside him is also the knowledge that not finding it and losing now will not single him or the team out in the big picture of Irish RWC performances.
At the end of the day ,the team of us choked again when it really was needed.yes they tried but at the end of the day they achieved sfa
People talking about a Six Nations GS feeling 'hollow' are just talking too soon.
Come the Six Nations we will be back in the land of hope and speculation.
A GS will feel just like they always feel.
If we didn't pick ourselves up and go again the soccer team supporters would never even get out of bed. They do, again and again and the rugby supporters will be no different.
Sorry but I don't agree. That defeat yesterday had nothing to do with what happened in the past.
We were beat by a better team on the day. If we grasp that we can improve. If we believe what happened 20 or more years ago effected yesterday result we are in serious trouble.
I hope NZ go on to win it
We have been to 10 world cups and never won a knockout game , ther is a mental scar from the past , Argentina have had 3 semi finals.
I agree with your last point , but the dreadfull record in knockout rugby needs to be addressed, as it will be
We were beat last night by very small margins. It had nothing to do with our other past defeats in the World Cup. Non. Zilch. 4 fecking points after going down 13 níl.
We've talent coming through at underage. Retirements make opportunitys. Let's enjoy the journey.
Thats how it feals today , its about 15 years ago when winning a triple crown was the big thing - we need to think bigger , our record in knockout rugby is shocking and needs to be addressed, we have done everything else , and I agree rugby is in a god place in Ireland, but for me we need to focus on WC 2027 , and how we can win knockout rugby , maybe this new World tournament will help.
Not a rugby expert by any mean, but as a fan, its very frustrating to lose to an outfit that (despite not showing it) we're actually IMO considerably better than. By the time the next chance rolls round that won't be the case anymore, they'll have their act together and we'll be minus a number of generational players that won't be easily replaced with our small playing pool. Can only put it down to some mental thing on the big occasion why we didn't turn up last night. Really annoying that we didn't put them to to the sword. but hey ho, it is what it is, nobody died. Really hope SA or France do them in the final though.
The Irish cricket team do
Maybe it’s time Ireland actually sit down and draw up a plan and build depth.home grown depth as this Irish team can’t honestly compete with NZ,SA,Fr,England in a 2month tournament
'Even winning the six nations will feel hollow'???
No just nó. Ireland lost last night. The past is the past. Life moves on. New opportunities exist. When you look at some of the other Unions we're in a good place.
So in a game between Nz and Ireland only NZ born players scored tries
dont watch OTB no more, smug know all presenters, who dont know as much as they think , all about dramatics .
If only for that tackle on Keenan, I could feal the hit in Dublin.
That's just your mentality and a lot of fans in a fairy land. It means very little in reality that teams of the past also lost in QF. It's just an anomaly. Anyone who says otherwise may as well believe in Peter Pan.
A management team is not just for Christmas.
They'll show their mettle now. Pick them up dust them down and prep/motivate them for the next time.
The games systems/structures are healthy here. That will now stand to us.
Players of the game - the Barrett brothers Savia and Bundee.
Not to mention Sam Cane. The shift he put in was incredible. Will have shut up some of the embarassing punditry comments about him on Off The Ball recently.
Still hurts this morning , scolling through here , shows the exteme , from smug Eire jibes to looking for a re-match - we came close , but many players looked below par, eraly on I questioned playing a near starting 15 in every pool games - Van der Flier, Furlong , Beirne looked over cooked - regarding Sexton, been an unbelievable 10 for 14 years, but Farrell hould have given Crowley 15 minutes last night, might not have changed, but maybe it might, a very tight game.
The players gave everything, and they will hurt so bad, for so long, hard to know how they get up agaiin, even winning the 6 Nations will feal hollow.
Keeping sexton on for sentimental reasons was criminal. When he tried that chip pass you could tell he was gone. We needed fresh legs. But my god the errors they gave up. Shocking.
While I think calling Ireland 'bottlers' is disrespectful to the effort put in, I also think it's fair to say that the completely uncharacteristic panic in the first 20 minutes or so really cost them the game.
If we'd played with the same confidence we had in any other game recently, I wouldn't mind getting bounced out in the quarters by a quality side. It's the fact this team fell foul to the typical quarter final panic and did not do themselves justice at all.
So many uncharacteristic errors that I'd not seen us make in ages. Terrible breakdown speed, silly forced passes, isolated ball carriers, scrum malfunctioning etc. The Will Jordan try was so soft.
Credit to New Zealand for playing out of their skin and implementing a very smart strategy all the same.
Never wanted us to win as much.. just fell short. That’s top class rugby. So much can come into winning and losing. We had some super play, some ok play, and some poor play; same as NZ. We lost by a single score..it was that tight.
Eire team?? On ignore.
If he let Murray have it we'd have walked in a try. Look again at the fringe defence on the maul, Murray just had to flop over.
Rabbit in the head lamps start last night created a back foot scenario which generates unforced errors.
Fine fine margins
i probably sound harsh
The winning of the match was the line out maul with Kelleher held up
admittedly great defence from NZ but for me our hooker should have exercised better control at the back and planted the ball on the line
Ireland rely on about 20 players performing at their peak to win us big games. Yesterday we lost because some of those players underperformed (Doris, JGP, Sexton, JVDF, Porter gave away penalties and our lineout was a mess) Mack Hansen was clearly injured going in and didn't last the game.
Instead of having a squad of players Farrell trusted to play an attritional tournament, he went into bunker mode and kept Sexton on the pitch for the full 80 when he could barely run for the last third of the game.
It is criminal to not use all 23 players in that game if you pretend to be a squad with depth and ambition to win the RWC
JOB was outstanding when he came on and if we had a boost of energy at 10 off the bench I genuinely think we would have won that game
The celebrations after the SA game we’re notable to me, I don’t mean to go all Roy Keane here but the jubilation after that game seemed to be of a team that didn’t expect to win, I think this indicates the mentality that may be missing from an Ireland rugby team, it’s tough to say but if you don’t believe you are going to win then you won’t win.
Ireland are now ranked 3rd. NZ are 1, France 2, SA 4.
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