How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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This is my last post on this.
Someone said 90% of us wanted the last deal. You tried to pour cold water on this statement by making the distinction between 90% of us, and 90% of us who are union members, as if that makes one iota of difference. There is no point making a distinction between those who join the union and vote and those who don't. If they want their voices heard, they know what to do. Until that happens, we (those in the union) can ignore what they're saying on such matters.
I said the numbers would fall off a cliff if you allowed people to join/leave as they see fit and you tried to claim they already are falling off a cliff. I guarantee you, the membership would fall to almost zero if this were allowed. That 20 out of 60 you mentioned earlier would drop to less than 5. You seemed to be making the point that we should be doing everything we can to encourage new members, including allowing members to come and go as they please. This will have the opposite effect. If I've taken you up wrong, I apologise, but that's how it comes across.
I can not even get them to reply to repeated questions about how our IT staff are being treated
Yes, you have taken me up wrong.
Because while I said I had read about a recruitment drive by the unions to encourage new staff to join, I never once said anything about "allowing people to join/leave as they see fit".
Nor did I say or even allude to anything about allowing members to "come and go as they please".
I honestly don't know how or where you got that from my comments. That was all you.
And sorry, but it is factual that the 90% of people who voted for the last deal, is not representative of 90% of the entire C&PS. It is representative of 90% of the union membership only.
You quoted me when I spoke about members coming and going as they please and said "yeah, I don't disagree......but......" which is alluding to you thinking they should be allowed. You even did it twice.
Anyway, I'm out. Good luck.
Jesus, you read an awful lot into those "buts".
Some fine mental gymnastics there.
Should have it in two weeks so if ye got yours today's
Was the 6.5% the last time the largest increase ever in the CS/public service? Like fair enough people liking the comment saying 12%. Its in no way realistic to expect anything near 12%
Bear in mind there has been high inflation during last two years, higher than during last 20-30 years.
So you would expect the increase in nominal pay to be higher.
Inflation did touch 5-6% during second half of Celtic Tiger, but not 8-10%.
Benchmarking was more than that, but i can't remember the exact percentages.
I'm sure its online somewhere.
But then again, it was taken away again about two years later.
(eta) looks like it was between 8.5% and 14% depending on grade.
Pay rise fixed against average industrial wage. Goes up as well as down.
Then the wage bill would increase.
We're paid less than private sector for that stability.
Want to have the negatives too then give the positives. I'd like my healthcare, bonuses, and 100% pay increase I could get in private sector so
But they know people saying "I could go to the private sector" won't. At least the majority won't
Here's an example of an alternative.
The higher performers will though
I'm just about comfortable with what I earn. If I end up with an effective paycut, after this round, I'll go back.
I want to work where I do, it makes a difference, but I'm never going to struggle for it. My family is my priority
That’s alright for people who are happy to let others shoulder the burden of paying for the union. It wouldn’t sit well with me if I walked away from paying the fees.
Anyone know how long it's going to take ? Are we looking at weeks or months do we know?
Haven't heard a thing on the negotiations, but I'd expect them to take a few weeks.
Then it will have to be put to the union members for a vote.
But no matter what deal is made, it will definitely be months before you can expect any further pay increase - I'd estimate March at the earliest.
Yeah I was thinking it would take a good while for any increase alright. I'm thinking of getting a mortgage so at least the increase would be times 4 in lending power. Prob not going to make a huge difference otherwise though haha
I'd be better off quitting my job.
12e increase on social welfare, bonuses, double weeks etc
I'd be taking home 550 week minimum come January.
Shush. 🤫
Don't you know we're not supposed to say anything about that?
I'd love a Christmas bonus. Never had one of those.
Let alone a double week for Christmas, a couple of cash bonuses in between, and an extra double week at the end of January to ease the annual Blue Monday.
I dont begrudge anyone on social welfare their Christmas bonus. Its an awful life on the dole.
Maybe it comes across that way. But I'm going to be honest and say that after the last year or so, I am pissed off.
Not at those on social welfare. But at the Government.
The budget didn't exactly do very much for working people either, and from talking to people around me, I know I am not the only one who feels this way.
And this is why C&PS shouldn't settle for the crumbs off the table again this year. Because if you let yourself be passed over again and again, it will just keep happening.
The ERSI report shows that the budget helped lower income workers more then others but this thread isn't about the budget.
I agree C&PS workers shouldn't accept crumbs, I want 10% in this round of talks. This is what is happening in other European Countries. Why should we accept any less? However, I am not going to begrudge those collecting social welfare. A double payment a Christmas makes sense for them in my opinion.
I want 10% yeah but not spread out over 2 years.
That is bullsh1t when you consider how high inflation has been running for the last 2 years, and into next
If you're responding to me, I didn't say over 2 years.
Did the other European countries get 6.5% as well over the last two years? I don't actually know the answer but it's a fairly important point if they did not. This is our 2nd inflation deal , not sure if it's the same for the rest.
It was a lot more than one double payment at Christmas, Bren.
There are multiple extra cash payments being made alongside the christmas bonus this year, as was done last year as well, and if divided over 52 weeks adds up to a significant increase in addition to the €12 per week increase already being made to the base rate.
But I'm not going to belabour the point any further.
And of course the budget matters in the context of this thread.
Maybe they should get a job then?
Woah woah woah , the job market is so tough out there lol
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