How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Except its not a product or a service.
You're correct
We received an email from Unite that the ICTU Public Service Committee met last Wednesday to agree on priorities prior to opening negotiations with government. This will kick off after the budget is ironed out. They expect to have a deal in place before the end of the year, when the Building Momentum agreement expires. So, I would imagine that any pay increases will be sometime in the new year.
Except for the small matter of it being a breach of contract, yeah, genius idea.
And except for the matter of Government ending up funding pensions on the double for a generation or two, DB pensions for current staff and pensioners, DC pensions for new staff - which would be a big ask for the budget, yeah, so clever.
You don’t appear to have a keen eye for anything but an opinion on everything.
Actually I do. One of the greatest myths is that state employees pay a fortune in pension contributions by referring to the headline percentages. I was able to bust that myth by calculating the contributions after taking the thresholds below which no ASC is taken into account. Also accounting for the net pensionable renumeration.
There is a separate thread running currently saying that Gardai are poorly paid. I was able to show using Revenue data a Garda with 10 years experience is among the top 20% of income earners.
That's just two examples.
The ball should start rolling now after todays budget. It seems final budget measures are going to play a big impact in the pay talks, I doubt we’ll get more than 5% over 18 months.
Donohoe notes that there's currently no public sector pay deal that covers 2024 - says he hopes that the cost of living package and tax measures in #budget2024 are factored into talks on any such deal…
Of course, they also benefit workers in the private sector competing to buy the same houses or pay rent for the same apartments.
The basic fact is that public sector wages today are worth less than two years ago. Salaries are a comparative issue. If you want good public servants you need to pay them appropriately, in relation to other employment options.
If it was 5% over 18 months, how much do people think would be paid upfront? Or how would it be sequenced? 2.5% now and 2.5% in a year’s time?
5% over 12 months would be my guess.
Has there being better deals got in the yr of and election or close to election does any one no?
If that's offered, I'll vote to strike.
This is likely going to be the last pay negotation in the lifetime of this Government, worth noting. The Government will not want any industrial unrest heading into an election. Local and European elections in May too.
Michael McGrath said today during his budget speech that wage increases this year are set to outpace inflation. I hope the public service unions were listening.
Might be more effective to leave to another organisation!
The organisation I work for is on its 6th recruitment campaign in 2 years at my level and loosing staff faster than it can recruit, small % increases certainly will not resolve issues. Unless I get promoted myself in the next 12 month I will be out the door too. Pay scales should be more of an issue than small % rises.
Demand is incredibly high for my role. I could leave for the private sector but i dont want that.
5%? I'll vote to strike. Not enough to care about. Minimum I'll accept over 12 months is probably 7.5%, any less and I'll vote for industrial action.
Running massive inflation and we get 2.5% each year? They can feck right off.
We've already had a realistic massive pay and they're happy enough to spread it around to everyone except their employees
This may come across as doom and gloom but I've started putting money aside in anticipation of unrest up to a strike
Strike?
But when salaries were cut what did the unions do, strike for 2 days and then get back into bed with the bosses. Then bearded bandits in leadership all got their rewards with big fat appointments to boards in return. The union leadership showed their abilities in the last pay round, even after two bites of the cherry they left the members worse off!
That's why I refused to join the inept union, from my experience in 25 years in the private sector prior to public sector, the unions are more effective in many large private organisation in regards to pay, conditions and employee welfare.
I dont see the relevance of your post.
I would vote against 5% in the Public Sector Pay talks over 12 months. That would mean I am voting for industrial action up to and including a strike. I have no interest in discussing how good/bad unions are.
You choose not to join a union. I choose to pay me dues and join a union.
There won't be an all out strike.
We choose to differ, Amen.
Sounds like you don’t need an increase if you can afford to save…
(I’m 100% kidding btw)
The pay talks last year where well below inflation at the time and still got waved though by the unions.
I would expect the same this time.
Civil service is still mostly staffed by pre recession folk who are already set. Until that changes the political parties know they can get away with low balls.
i would agree with you on this point.
I warned last year of the precedent being set by accepting that deal, and got lambasted left right and centre for saying we should have held out for better.
I voted against that deal, and will do so without hesitation again if this deal is in the same ballpark.
I thought it was a great deal. Did over 90% off us not accept?
I voted yes ......Looking back im sorry i didnt vote no.....all it did was feed us more rope while we were dangling by our necks.
Well in my opinion the same deal again would get over 90% yes
Yes, so you've said before.
90% of union members accepted, on the recommendation of their union. Lets not forget there are thousands of civil and public servants who are not union members, and had no vote.
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