How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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I'm a civil service pensioner and the latest increase was in my pension today (paid fortnightly)
No sign of the increase in this weeks pay either
That's fair enough , look I want the most increase possible haha
4-5% over 12 months and I'll vote no. Public sector should be looking for more then that.
seems like social welfare is going up 12 euro a week or 4-5% next year, priavte sector employers are predicting pay rises of 4+% for next year ..
labour market is very tight at present
surely public sector workers will be looking for similar given some sectors are literally hemaroging workers
not to mention shocking toll of inflation again this year
Unions planning a big drive to recruit new members in some bulletin I read last week. Which could go either way.
You may be right about what is offered.
But if that happens and it is accepted, it won't be on my conscience that I voted to accept a deal that is effectively a pay cut.
Yeah said it before a while back. Well I wouldn't bother concerning myself with people who had no vote. We will be lucky to get the same deal again imo.
Yeah I’d say if all of those thousands also had a vote it would have passed even easier, the only ones I heard complaining about it were in the union, 95% maybe
Yes, so you've said before.
90% of union members accepted, on the recommendation of their union. Lets not forget there are thousands of civil and public servants who are not union members, and had no vote.
Well in my opinion the same deal again would get over 90% yes
I voted yes ......Looking back im sorry i didnt vote no.....all it did was feed us more rope while we were dangling by our necks.
I thought it was a great deal. Did over 90% off us not accept?
The pay talks last year where well below inflation at the time and still got waved though by the unions.
I would expect the same this time.
i would agree with you on this point.
I warned last year of the precedent being set by accepting that deal, and got lambasted left right and centre for saying we should have held out for better.
I voted against that deal, and will do so without hesitation again if this deal is in the same ballpark.
Civil service is still mostly staffed by pre recession folk who are already set. Until that changes the political parties know they can get away with low balls.
Sounds like you don’t need an increase if you can afford to save…
(I’m 100% kidding btw)
We choose to differ, Amen.
There won't be an all out strike.
I dont see the relevance of your post.
I would vote against 5% in the Public Sector Pay talks over 12 months. That would mean I am voting for industrial action up to and including a strike. I have no interest in discussing how good/bad unions are.
You choose not to join a union. I choose to pay me dues and join a union.
Strike?
But when salaries were cut what did the unions do, strike for 2 days and then get back into bed with the bosses. Then bearded bandits in leadership all got their rewards with big fat appointments to boards in return. The union leadership showed their abilities in the last pay round, even after two bites of the cherry they left the members worse off!
That's why I refused to join the inept union, from my experience in 25 years in the private sector prior to public sector, the unions are more effective in many large private organisation in regards to pay, conditions and employee welfare.
This may come across as doom and gloom but I've started putting money aside in anticipation of unrest up to a strike
Running massive inflation and we get 2.5% each year? They can feck right off.
We've already had a realistic massive pay and they're happy enough to spread it around to everyone except their employees
Demand is incredibly high for my role. I could leave for the private sector but i dont want that.
5%? I'll vote to strike. Not enough to care about. Minimum I'll accept over 12 months is probably 7.5%, any less and I'll vote for industrial action.
Might be more effective to leave to another organisation!
The organisation I work for is on its 6th recruitment campaign in 2 years at my level and loosing staff faster than it can recruit, small % increases certainly will not resolve issues. Unless I get promoted myself in the next 12 month I will be out the door too. Pay scales should be more of an issue than small % rises.
Michael McGrath said today during his budget speech that wage increases this year are set to outpace inflation. I hope the public service unions were listening.
This is likely going to be the last pay negotation in the lifetime of this Government, worth noting. The Government will not want any industrial unrest heading into an election. Local and European elections in May too.
If that's offered, I'll vote to strike.
Has there being better deals got in the yr of and election or close to election does any one no?
5% over 12 months would be my guess.
If it was 5% over 18 months, how much do people think would be paid upfront? Or how would it be sequenced? 2.5% now and 2.5% in a year’s time?
Of course, they also benefit workers in the private sector competing to buy the same houses or pay rent for the same apartments.
The basic fact is that public sector wages today are worth less than two years ago. Salaries are a comparative issue. If you want good public servants you need to pay them appropriately, in relation to other employment options.
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