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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    Ukraine really needs to heavily target power, energy and heating infrastructure for Moscow/St. Petersburg this winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Just wait and they'll turn out to be NATO/Anglo-saxon grenades.

    Edit: with small swastikas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,800 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Wots all this then guv

    looks like an expensive Russian fighter jet crashing into a Russian building

    at least the Russian pilot is okay and will live to accidentally fall out of a window at his next promotion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Idk! Saw it on Reddit, but if it looks familiar then it’s old



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,382 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Pretty sure I've seen that also

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,620 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Are there any Ukrainians in all this occupied land the Russians are holding. Or is it completely empty of life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Wikipedia puts the displaced Ukrainians figures at about 6million across Europe and 8million within Ukraine so it looks to me like the vast majority of the people living on the 18% of Ukraine that putin's troops currently have occupied have left. Also seen reports that people who have stayed in these areas have seen forced conscription in to the moskovyte military so even the small number that tried to stay in their homes is likely to be even smaller now without even mentioning the numbers that may have been murdered as was the case in areas already liberated by Ukraine.

    putin is responsible for the biggest humanitarian crisis in Europe since world war 2 and his only motivation seems to be that the biggest country in the world by land area needs more land. I'd guess it was not possible for some to run away in time so the area is probably not completely empty of life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭Field east


    Russia has weaponised sports at all levels for 10s’ of years. It uses sports as a’ Look, see how better we are than you ,the West. So our system is better than yours, come loin us in whatever way you can’ And the international sports organisations still have not seen through this. International sports org may not use sports as a weapon in any respect - want to keep neutral - but Russia/Putin always has



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,009 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Personally I think the Russian under age teams should be welcomed in the west. And traded back for the release of kidnapped Ukrainian children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Most of the areas occupied have large civilian populations , even areas on the front lines today contain civilian populations , bakmuth last year people were found living in homes despite heavy artillery strikes from both sides going back and forth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭Field east


    Good idea in principal. I would not think it right that FIFA should get involved in any way. BUT, BUT, BUT , for example , Turkey , Saudi Arabia , etc, could quietly ‘negotiate ‘a deal that ‘ swaps Russia players safe passage /safe return back to Russia on the condition that FOUR MORE TIMES UKr children than there are Ru players are returned to UKr one month BEFORE the tournament starts. The UN should be involved to ensure that the UKr children were ‘ GENUINELLY’ kidnapped and BeFORE A certain date - otherwise Ru could kidnap the required number shortly before the tournament starts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    You don't want FIFA or football in general getting involved in Ukraine or any other conflicts with tit for tat detaining players or teams to be swapped for civilians , that would get messy very quickly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    They might not want to go home. Seek asylum, avoid being cannon fodder for the future offensives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,961 ✭✭✭zv2


    I'd be from the napalm school of thought meself. A bit old fashioned but sure...

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭rogber


    Nice idea but it's obviously never going to happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Any evidence you would like to share that these areas still have a "large" civilian population?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    What areas are you referencing and what would you consider "large"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    As of the Summer the Ukrainian ombudsman said there was 13 million under occupation/on the front line. The Oblasts occupied were among the highest population densities in Ukraine.


    Off the top of my head there are about 9mn Ukrainians in Western Europe now and probably as many internally.


    If the 9mn, mostly women and children, in Western Europe don't go home then Ukraine is finished as a country, regardless of how well the war goes.


    The longer it drags on the more of some kind of victory comes closer for Russia, that being holding most of what they have, Ukraine's long term future as even a barely functional State, denied, even if Russia itself slips back to 3rd world status.


    The trickle of arms to Ukraine is going to end up a long term problem for the West.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,961 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,961 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    You would be very surprised by the nr's of civilians living in the bombed and burnt out husks of bombed Cities. In the rebel held areas of Damascus, thousands of citizens survived, as did thousands in Grozny and many other cities too. Leningrad was a case in point where people survived for more than 2 years. Survival is the strongest instinct of them all, and especially when there are no choices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,961 ✭✭✭zv2


    Destroyed Russian artillery

    destroyedartillery.jpg


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looks like Russia has shot down its own aircraft for the 5th time recently....





    I'm sure there will be demands for evidence ✈️

    Post edited by Gatling on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,800 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    The AA are probably getting a lot of flak for letting drones and missiles through, say they panicked.

    More of this please!!

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The singular advantage an autocrat like putin has is he can wait out the democracies of the west. He also heavily controls the home narrative. Democracies are sensitive to changes in public moods, even if it's just a general fatigue about the war and they're exposed to far more narratives. When people start to blame inflation etc on the war(and putin has been pushing this since early on for obvious reasons), that fatigue will grow. The Kremlin can leave that on the long finger for their own people for far longer and have more methods to quieten it down.

    Russia is also a major exporter of food and energy so Russians won't go cold or hungry anytime soon(similar sanctions on somewhere like China would have really hurt on those two scores). While their gas exports (to Europe, majority of their previous market)have fallen off a cliff, they're still bringing enough in from oil to finance the war, at least currently. Outside the major urban centres Russians live far more frugal lives than the average say German. I'd be willing to bet a fair chunk of their deeply rural population barely noticed there's a war on(unless their non pale sons were called up).

    As it stands Ukraine is screwed for the currently foreseeable because of Russia. Their agri sector is buggered, industry what there was of it, ditto and they've had a huge number of people leave westward and eastward when they were already facing a Russia style demographic purgatory. That's before the numbers killed and crippled by Russia. For over a year my understandably negative view was that Russia would 'keep' Donbas, Crimea wasn't even on the table, but the part up for grabs was the land bridge between the two. Sadly unless there's a massive upset I fear they'll hang onto that too.

    Russia's next move? Odessa is major thing and goal for them and always has been. I could see them consolidate the front they have with the usual minefields and use the sheer numbers advantage of men and materiel they have over Ukraine to make a push there.

    Russia's future? Cold war 2. Shut out and off from "The West", encouraging contact with the usual corrupt types in the developing world, while China and India will play both sides(wisely for their nations). In the parts of Ukraine they hold? They're facing decades of sectarian conflict even though they will try to in essence genocide Ukrainian loyalists and plant as many Russians they can and generations of Ukrainians that hate them. They claim Ukraine doesn't exist as a separate nation and people, but like all imperialist fcukwits with no sense of history or self awareness, they've only gone and created the Ukrainian people and nation with this war.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yes quite a few of us predicted this grinding stalemate a year ago and that neither side would have the capacity to achieve outright victory. Sadly it's looking more and more likely and the hardcore posters predicting the ever imminent collapse of all Russian defences and Crimean beach party before end of 2024 seem to have completely disappeared.

    It's a sad state and I've always held the only true hope is for Putin to be ousted from within. Right now that doesn't look likely either, but hope dies last...



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