How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Donohoe notes that there's currently no public sector pay deal that covers 2024 - says he hopes that the cost of living package and tax measures in #budget2024 are factored into talks on any such deal…
The ball should start rolling now after todays budget. It seems final budget measures are going to play a big impact in the pay talks, I doubt we’ll get more than 5% over 18 months.
Actually I do. One of the greatest myths is that state employees pay a fortune in pension contributions by referring to the headline percentages. I was able to bust that myth by calculating the contributions after taking the thresholds below which no ASC is taken into account. Also accounting for the net pensionable renumeration.
There is a separate thread running currently saying that Gardai are poorly paid. I was able to show using Revenue data a Garda with 10 years experience is among the top 20% of income earners.
That's just two examples.
You don’t appear to have a keen eye for anything but an opinion on everything.
Except for the small matter of it being a breach of contract, yeah, genius idea.
And except for the matter of Government ending up funding pensions on the double for a generation or two, DB pensions for current staff and pensioners, DC pensions for new staff - which would be a big ask for the budget, yeah, so clever.
We received an email from Unite that the ICTU Public Service Committee met last Wednesday to agree on priorities prior to opening negotiations with government. This will kick off after the budget is ironed out. They expect to have a deal in place before the end of the year, when the Building Momentum agreement expires. So, I would imagine that any pay increases will be sometime in the new year.
You're correct
Except its not a product or a service.
And what you are paying is no different to what you'd pay elsewhere. That's generally how the world works, if you want a product or service you have to pay for it.
I never suggested abolishing defined benefit pensions.
The ASC became a permanent version of an emergency measure (PRD) and I merely suggested getting rid of this in line with your suggestion of allowing workers to keep more of their wages.
It's a matter for an individual's employer whether they offer defined benefit or defined contribution pensions to their employees.
Alpha male alert
Exactly. Abolishing defined benefit pensions would be a huge burden lifted from the Exchequer, especially now as the number of retirees increases and the number of workers is falling. Means the State is not responsible for any shortfall.
People should be enabled to buy their own private pension, or none. Whatever the individual chooses.
The number of over 60s increased while births fell since the last census.
Already new entrants have a much reduced pension entitlement and get to keep more of their pay today.
Great idea!
Just a question if anyone can help.
I'm currently thinking of leaving my job and returning to the private sector. I have 3k p/a with a 15k lump sum built up in the single scheme. I'm well over the 2 year vesting period.
My understanding is that I keep that pension and I'll get it when I hit retirement age. Just wondering if anyone could confirm?
You could be onto something there. Abolishing the Additional Superannuation Contribution would allow workers to keep more of their money and benefit the economy in the manner you've referred to. That and a modest pay increase could work.
I agree. I don't think anyone is arguing against any sort of pay increases. Most people agree that targeted responses such as a Dublin allowance or staff housing like the old days is needed for essential workers. I'd also argue for the elimination of the CO grade into EOs with substantial changes in work practices and up-skilling of existing staff.
A reduction in taxes so the workers actually keep more of what they earn is every bit as good as a decent pay increase and benefits the economy overall where people can spend their money on what they want, not where the Govt decides for them.
Increases in nominal wages are not a solution to inflation.
They are a response to inflation.
All workers pay should rise faster than the CPI over time, thank to rising productivity.
You sound like a very important person
My skills are better compensated where I am, thanks. As you can see from threads such as this, I have a keen eye for facts, figures, calculations and for spotting spoofers and bullshiters, including civil servants who would be better placed in Venezuelan or Zimbabwean Governments rather than in a modern economic Government.
I am far above the pay grade and capabilities of a CO.
Seriously, we’ll all help you pass those CO assessments if it stops you being so bitter.
People are only concerned about the shortage of public sector workers as and when it impacts on them.
They are not the slightest bit concerned about the pay and conditions of public sector workers.
Yeah, weird how he thinks one group should be guaranteed protection from the effects of inflation. Oh well, since it hasn't happened over the last two years, he's living in a dream land. He can dream on.
Is anyone surprised someone who works in the Civil Service has such a poor grasp of basic economics. What he is proposing would actually worsen inflation. Inflation is coming down without having to ratchet everyone's pay to match it.
Baffling stuff.
They didn't say everyone's pay, just the public sector workers.
Hoho!!! Welcome back hahahahah
That's called inflation. You know well what inflation is at what it means. You think inflation is just for others in the economy while your pay should just match it?
Or is that your solution to inflation? Just increase everyone's pay inline with it until it stops becoming a problem? You're a genius, I'm sure no-one has thought of that before or it hasn't been tried before!
yes,a three year deal, would be of no use just before the elections ..most probably it will be front loaded to get mot votes in the elections.
Your back must be getting tired from moving the goalposts.
People care more about the cost of living then public sector workers which you claim is the second biggest issue in the country,
Constant complaints about lack of doctors, nurses, gardaí, teachers, special resources, college places, ambulences, and others but bren here thinks that people don't worry about a lack of public sector workers.
You can keep moving the goalposts if you want.
For those that don't have a house, housing is the biggest issue.
For those that have a house, the cost of everything is the biggest issue (mortgage repayments, school, groceries, energy etc.). This is also a concern for those without a house.
For those with health problems, the HSE is the biggest issue.
There will always be exceptions to the above, its a sweeping generalization that most people would agree with. The average household doesn't care if the Public Sector is understaffed or not and I was responding to someone who decided to move the goalposts after a post. I am not stating it isn't an issue, I am saying most people don't care.
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