How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Your reasoning is even worse than I thought.
So a renter gets it but someone subject to higher interest rates on their mortgage doesn't 🤣
Didn't you know that the State is not in the business of paying towards the purchase an asset?
It's why there is no mortgage assistance payment already, and why mortgage interest relief was only on the interest, not the principal. 🤣
Based on some of these posts, some of you deserve to have your wages cut, not increased. Jesus
Absolutely
Dont go moving the goalposts now. You're statement was "Housing is the biggest issue in this country....Second is shortage of key public sector workers". Not once did you refer to opinions in the household.
We can all make a statement and then move the goalposts after to discredit someone's opinion.
Most households don't give two **** about the shortage of public sector workers.
I think we should get a 20% rise because the weather is crap in Ireland!
When they're waiting for years for their hospital appointments, and their kids classes are getting split up to other classrooms, they might manage to join the dots.
Don't be absolutely ridiculous.
We're in a pay talks thread not a climate thread and discussing things which have a direct and immediate impact on provision of services, housing, and economy.
Climate change considered the biggest threat, on a thread like this? Cop on
For those that don't have a house, housing is the biggest issue.
For those that have a house, the cost of everything is the biggest issue (mortgage repayments, school, groceries, energy etc.). This is also a concern for those without a house.
For those with health problems, the HSE is the biggest issue.
There will always be exceptions to the above, its a sweeping generalization that most people would agree with. The average household doesn't care if the Public Sector is understaffed or not and I was responding to someone who decided to move the goalposts after a post. I am not stating it isn't an issue, I am saying most people don't care.
You can keep moving the goalposts if you want.
Constant complaints about lack of doctors, nurses, gardaí, teachers, special resources, college places, ambulences, and others but bren here thinks that people don't worry about a lack of public sector workers.
Your back must be getting tired from moving the goalposts.
People care more about the cost of living then public sector workers which you claim is the second biggest issue in the country,
yes,a three year deal, would be of no use just before the elections ..most probably it will be front loaded to get mot votes in the elections.
That's called inflation. You know well what inflation is at what it means. You think inflation is just for others in the economy while your pay should just match it?
Or is that your solution to inflation? Just increase everyone's pay inline with it until it stops becoming a problem? You're a genius, I'm sure no-one has thought of that before or it hasn't been tried before!
Hoho!!! Welcome back hahahahah
They didn't say everyone's pay, just the public sector workers.
Yeah, weird how he thinks one group should be guaranteed protection from the effects of inflation. Oh well, since it hasn't happened over the last two years, he's living in a dream land. He can dream on.
Is anyone surprised someone who works in the Civil Service has such a poor grasp of basic economics. What he is proposing would actually worsen inflation. Inflation is coming down without having to ratchet everyone's pay to match it.
Baffling stuff.
People are only concerned about the shortage of public sector workers as and when it impacts on them.
They are not the slightest bit concerned about the pay and conditions of public sector workers.
Seriously, we’ll all help you pass those CO assessments if it stops you being so bitter.
My skills are better compensated where I am, thanks. As you can see from threads such as this, I have a keen eye for facts, figures, calculations and for spotting spoofers and bullshiters, including civil servants who would be better placed in Venezuelan or Zimbabwean Governments rather than in a modern economic Government.
I am far above the pay grade and capabilities of a CO.
You sound like a very important person
All workers pay should rise faster than the CPI over time, thank to rising productivity.
Increases in nominal wages are not a solution to inflation.
They are a response to inflation.
I agree. I don't think anyone is arguing against any sort of pay increases. Most people agree that targeted responses such as a Dublin allowance or staff housing like the old days is needed for essential workers. I'd also argue for the elimination of the CO grade into EOs with substantial changes in work practices and up-skilling of existing staff.
A reduction in taxes so the workers actually keep more of what they earn is every bit as good as a decent pay increase and benefits the economy overall where people can spend their money on what they want, not where the Govt decides for them.
You could be onto something there. Abolishing the Additional Superannuation Contribution would allow workers to keep more of their money and benefit the economy in the manner you've referred to. That and a modest pay increase could work.
Just a question if anyone can help.
I'm currently thinking of leaving my job and returning to the private sector. I have 3k p/a with a 15k lump sum built up in the single scheme. I'm well over the 2 year vesting period.
My understanding is that I keep that pension and I'll get it when I hit retirement age. Just wondering if anyone could confirm?
Exactly. Abolishing defined benefit pensions would be a huge burden lifted from the Exchequer, especially now as the number of retirees increases and the number of workers is falling. Means the State is not responsible for any shortfall.
People should be enabled to buy their own private pension, or none. Whatever the individual chooses.
The number of over 60s increased while births fell since the last census.
Already new entrants have a much reduced pension entitlement and get to keep more of their pay today.
Great idea!
Alpha male alert
I never suggested abolishing defined benefit pensions.
The ASC became a permanent version of an emergency measure (PRD) and I merely suggested getting rid of this in line with your suggestion of allowing workers to keep more of their wages.
It's a matter for an individual's employer whether they offer defined benefit or defined contribution pensions to their employees.
And what you are paying is no different to what you'd pay elsewhere. That's generally how the world works, if you want a product or service you have to pay for it.
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