How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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IMO, it's becoming more and more likely that the pay deal will be similar, if not less, than last year, with them stating that inflation is slowing down 🙄 They are already hinting that the one off payments, such as the energy credits, will not be as generous as last year. Unless they are setting aside more for the pay deal instead - highly unlikely!
Inflation has slowed down meaning we took a pay cut, last year, and would take one again this year. Union were given a year to build their case
They **** this up and I'm out. A lot of my colleagues are the same
There are currently 380 jobs on Public Jobs which I is more than I ever recall seeing before. I've been trying to fill some roles (public sector, not civil service) for months now and the quality of applicants for a lot of roles is very poor (occasionally you get a good candidate and you bend over backwards to get them).
I think high quality people at mid to senior level (€80k - €100k) are being well looked after in their current roles and coaxing them into the public sector is now much harder than before. I find myself interviewing and considering candidates I would never have shortlisted in the past but that is a recipe for disaster in the longer term.
For the first time in almost 20 years in the public sector I'm recruiting people who are on work visas (mainly the 1G visa) but I have sought advice on using Critical Skills Visa's to fill key roles.
I think even with a double digit percentage increase in salaries the recruitment challenges will remain for a long time unless there is a major crash in the economy.
See, when you say mid to senior level, €80k to €100k, what would you consider the equivalent grade in civil service?
Well middle management grades, in Public Service, are 5/6/7
And those in the public service are paying for their own health insurance, and their own salary protection/disability insurance, and their own Christmas party, and their own polo shirts.
I wouldn't blame you for leaving.
I pay a pretty decent sub every fortnight - probably more than the net amount of the increase I got.
If it wasn't for the Income Continuance Plan, I'd have left last year (after 30+ years of Union membership).
If the increase isn't decent this time, I'll be in the market for an alternative ICP provider.
And no bonuses
Incredible that the unions got away with basically a "pay rise" of 2% in March with inflation running at three or four times that rate at least.
That's it in a nutshell, the amount is already decided in the context of budget
I suppose it’s around Assistant Principal in the Civil Service or Grade VIII in the HSE.
In addition to the overall salary one other thing that seems to be putting candidates off are the mandatory pension deductions. You have to explain that the same salaries in the private and public sectors don’t equate to the same take home pay. Irrespective of whether you think the pension is good, bad or indifferent, for a lot of candidates a pension in 30 years time is not at the top of their list of wants and another deduction is not welcome to a lot of them.
Interestingly I spoke to the Director / CEO of a small state entity yesterday who told me she has approx. 25% vacancy rate from a staff of just over 100. That’s the first time she has seen this.
Just when you mention pensions the pension for any new entrant post 2012 (?) really isn't great. When I tot up the amount I've paid over the last 7 years versus what I'll get using the HR site it's actually pathetic.
Roughly half pay over the course of my lifetime plus a lump sump of 1.5 my salary. I really dont understand who complain about that. Its good just not as good as before.
Adding up what you get after 7 years is pointless, of course it doesn't look like a lot.
Sorry would I be right with the following- Post 2012 pensions basically equates to - Full service (40 years) then you end up with half your avg career salary till you clog and a 1.5 times lump sum? And they do use the normal state pension to bump it up to half? Is the only diff from the old one is that it's done on your final salary rather than career average?
Your understanding of the current pension is the same as my own. Career average which seems fairer imo.
The pre-2012 pension isn't something I know but I believe that is the main difference. Maybe someone else can clarify.
Personally, I think its a pretty decent pension and I don't understand people who harp on its awful. I will easily have 40 years service and will retire on what I believe is a pretty decent pension to live on.
I have a feeling that when "mid" roles, in the Civil Service that means HEO sometimes. Might be less true if it's purely manager roles,
It seems decent to me too tbh. I would imagine to get the equivalent in a private sector defined contribution pension would require a lot higher salary deductions. Could be wrong on that though!
Ok. Well go to the private sector if things are that much better then.
Whilst the pre 2012 pension is ok that's about all it is. I missed out on the pre April 2004 pension by 2 months. Now that really was gold plated. I could have gone on full pension at 60.
What do you think happens to public services when lots of us go to the private sector?
That won't happen though. I think you know that.
The old school pensions were incredible.
The current one is good or fine. It's great that I'm young and was forced into paying it. It's cheap for what you get.
As my wages go up, i can now start looking at other options to make it better.
Read the thread. It's already happening.
An AVC is good. I have one and will be paying into it until I'm 60. I'll be retiring then. Won't be staying until I'm 65. I'd have 46 years done at that rate.
I'm losing faith in the union, the a few % in April and few % in October bollocks has to stop. I was genuinely shocked to see the last pay deal was voted in by quiet a large margin by members, something like 80/90%
There needs to be a rise that matches inflation at least. There urgently needs to be something similar to "London weighting" here. Cost of living in Dublin is a lot higher than most of the country and fast becoming unaffordable for healthcare workers, teachers, guards to live in Dublin. A lot are choosing to move down the country when they can get jobs there. Schools and hospitals are gonna struggle to fill vacancies. They can't keep relying on subbing and agency staff to plug the gap.
In fairness people moving down the country is a good thing from a government point of view? I agree though there really should be a Dublin allowance.
And one for Cork presumably, what's the next biggest city, Waterford allowances
Not when they're providing a service that needs to be provided in person, no, it's really not a good thing. Got kids? My kids' school is strugging to recruit and retain teachers, the subject choices being offered are a lot more restrictive than they should be as a direct result.
Grade 8 is one step down from GM and is recognised as the first higher level manager.
And that's why there will never be a Dublin allowance..... because everyone will want one.
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