How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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It's not an excuse, but if we dropped to a 4 day week and retained our salaries (+ whatever % increases are realistically possible) it would mean you've an entire extra day free to live your life every week of the year, essentially a raise in your hourly earnings. The main point being that this would make the CS/PS much more attractive to compensate for the lower pay compared with the private sector, since people ITT are raising the point that it's becoming less and less competitive with the private sector.
We all know it's possible to take a 20% pay cut to do a 4 day week, that's a complete tangent of a point
The "tangent of a point" was made for the benefit of those who believe 4 day weeks are not workable for public servants, despite the fact that they are already an option for many and have been for many years.
91.3% of FORSA voted for the last deal, which resulted in a real terms pay cut.
A majority will probably do the same again, unfortunately.
You don't even know what the deal being offered is. How is it unfortunate???????
It's possible this time will be different, but there's no evidence to suggest that past behaviour from both sides will be different.
Another decrease in real terms pay would be unfortunate, imo.
I'm one of those non-members and refuse to join after our union rep (in a related but not identical field to us) publicly told us at coffee one morning that our discipline (not his) were all overpaid. Couldn't vote him out either.
There's no evidence of anything. We literally have no idea what the deal will be. Maybe it'll be perfect.
Won't hold my breath on that
Well you can't vote him out if you're not a member.
If you (or your colleagues) are unhappy with your union rep, you need to talk to the union. Would you consider becoming a rep yourself?
You can vote him out when more members agree with you than with him.
Its often a fairly thankless role that no one else is interested in.
German government and unions agree pay deal for public sector workers
The deal entails one-off payments totalling 3,000 euros (£2,650) per employee, with the first 1,240 euros (£1,095) in June followed by monthly payments of 220 euros (around £195) until February next year.
In March, regular monthly pay for all will be increased by 200 euros (£177), followed by a salary increase of 5.5%. The agreement runs through to the end of 2024.
Decent option to consider instead of % flat rate increases until inflation eases.
However the big danger here is when recession hits PS/CS pay is slashed and we're the last to get anything back.
I acknowledge that, in general, the PS pension is good.
However, two points;
(1) since 2009 or 2010, the PS pension conts have been increased, substantially
(2) the SPSPS is not as generous as previous schemes, as it is based on career-average earnings
Suggesting flat rate increases doesn't go down very well here.
Nothing seems to go down well here in fairness.. It does seem fairer for targeting those on lower incomes.
I'd vote for that. Doubt we will get anything that good tho. One can hope.
After FORSA recommended they vote for it. FORSA's National Executive voted 'overwhelming' to recommend members vote in favour of it.
Fobbed off by a once off payment and already suffering because of it. Lets just hope they don't fall for that again.
Isn't it remarkable how this argument is never heard when the economy is doing great and private sector wages are strongly outpacing inflation!
I'll converse, or not, with whoever I wish, thanks.
In an employment where pay 'deals' are the same across the board, the concept of "pulling up the ladder" does not exist.
The truth is that a small bauble of a backdated piddling increase paid as a lump was enough to get the 'deal' through. Never have so many votes been bought so cheaply.
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AHCPS confirming this evening that talks on the next pay deal will start shortly. Interesting to see how long it will take for a proposal to be put forward for a vote. I would have thought the government would need to factor in the outcome into budget calculations
"A core focus of our work this Autumn will be negotiating a new national pay agreement for public sector workers. The extension of the Building Momentum agreement expires at the end of 2023, with the final pay instalment due on 1st October.
While the review of the agreement in 2022 brought much needed pay increases, inflation continues to erode the pay of all workers, and the cost of everyday living is a constant challenge. Earlier this year, 99% of respondents to our members’ survey told us that negotiated pay rises must match inflation, and for many this was an issue on which they would be prepared to take industrial action. This message from you is a mandate for Fórsa."
Are there any indications that preliminary discussion has already begun? This time last year wasn't everything already sorted or as good as? Seems very late if anything meaningful is to be received by Christmas.
You mean an increase by Christmas? That seems very unlikely. It'll probably be just the 1.5% on Oct
There will be the 1.5% in October and then won't be anything until 2024.
We had a union thingy today
Confirmed to us that talks haven't started. Even talks about the framework of the talks haven't begun. They don't expect anything to start until after the budget.
Mail paper today saying 2billion deals hopes to be concluded before budget.
Impossible.
The Budget is 10th October.
Yeah, but it's the Mail....
I’d prefer them to go after a shorter working week, better flexible working options and more annual leave in this next round of negotiations. Pay will also need to keep up with inflation or it is an effective pay cut.
A shorter working week would be great.4 day week would be brilliant.
TBH I'm happy with Flexi and annual leave entitlement as it is.
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