How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Won't hold my breath on that
There's no evidence of anything. We literally have no idea what the deal will be. Maybe it'll be perfect.
I'm one of those non-members and refuse to join after our union rep (in a related but not identical field to us) publicly told us at coffee one morning that our discipline (not his) were all overpaid. Couldn't vote him out either.
It's possible this time will be different, but there's no evidence to suggest that past behaviour from both sides will be different.
Another decrease in real terms pay would be unfortunate, imo.
You don't even know what the deal being offered is. How is it unfortunate???????
91.3% of FORSA voted for the last deal, which resulted in a real terms pay cut.
A majority will probably do the same again, unfortunately.
The "tangent of a point" was made for the benefit of those who believe 4 day weeks are not workable for public servants, despite the fact that they are already an option for many and have been for many years.
It's not an excuse, but if we dropped to a 4 day week and retained our salaries (+ whatever % increases are realistically possible) it would mean you've an entire extra day free to live your life every week of the year, essentially a raise in your hourly earnings. The main point being that this would make the CS/PS much more attractive to compensate for the lower pay compared with the private sector, since people ITT are raising the point that it's becoming less and less competitive with the private sector.
We all know it's possible to take a 20% pay cut to do a 4 day week, that's a complete tangent of a point
Haha okay mate.
Join if you can afford it with the pay I get I can't afford union membership until I make EO and by then inflation will have wiped that out for me too...
Members of the Single Public Service Pension Scheme won't have a lump sum anywhere close to €100k. Half of that would be more typical. We've ten years of public sector workers on the scheme now.
Where are you pulling €1m+ as the typicap value?
I pay for my pension via the public service. Nothing stopping private sector employees doing the same.
Are you taking into account the typical €1m+ net present value of a public sector pension? Most private sector workers, even in IT, will be lucky to have €100k lump sum in pension contributions upon retirement.
When times are good, private sector will move away. When times are bad, the gap will shrink. It is what it is.
I'm not even talking about inflation. I'm talking about the gap widening between public and private.
I'll accept being paid less than the private sector but screw it if that gap gets to widen constantly
You can't look at it over one year or one pay agreement tho.
I don't think we will get an inflation matching deal over two years and i likely won't strike for that. I'll follow the unions advice and only reject the deal if they recommend that.
People accept that there are trade offs to public work and that you're paid less.
Being paid less is one thing, the pay gap widening is a different beat altogether
Okay, let's do that.
Public admin and defence received a 12.5% pay rise over five years, compared to 24% across all sectors.
So public service pay is lagging behind.
Public admin and defence has seen the second slowest wage growth.
ICT wages have grown by nearly 40%.
Several younger colleagues moved to the private sector over the past 12-18 months, all for better pay and conditions. One was reluctant to go but couldn’t turn down an 80% increase in pay, they are looking to buy a home. Unsurprisingly, we’ve only just filled the last positions due to lack of interest from suitable candidates.
I'm the same would more than x2 my salary in the private world but don't want to BUT I also expect to not have effective pay cuts YoY
I've been offered near double my wages to work in the private sector. Same would be true for most of my colleagues, in my case, there's just no way the government can compete.
I stay because i dont want to work for a private company in a different job. I like my job, the autonomy i have, and the perks that come with that. I can only benchmark myself against inflation.
I understand my case is peculiar and shouldn't dictate the majority.
So if you are not in the union you stay on the same pay conditions as the day you started? That makes sense, off with you!
I'll give you the other viewpoint for consideration however - no unions means no paydeals, so effectively the union membership is paying for non members pay rises, that doesn't seem very fair or democratic either does it?
No unions, nobody to negotiate. No fee, no unions.
Not perfect but best system available i think. I'm incredibly pro union for the record.
Instead of comparing yourselves against inflation over that time period, why don't you instead compare yourself to private sector workers.
Do you think private sector workers have even come close to these sort of pay rises?
You should be matching yourselves off against private sector pay rises, not inflation. As private sector is paying for literally everything, and you are competing with private sector for labour.
A system that forces you to pay to vote, yet impacts your conditions regardless, is not very democratic. Perhaps it should go the other way - union negotiated deals only apply to union members?
For the record, I don't have strong feelings on this but I've just been pondering unions recently. I'm on the fence about joining my own: it has a poor track record (for my grade, anyway).
I'd vote for it again.
I hope those who did vote for it had time to reflect on what an utterly moronic decision that was and will pressure for a better deal this time around. I won't hold my breath.
If the Union does a good job during negotiations the fee is going to be worth it. But here we are.
The unions negotiate it. Join if you want a vote.
Is it odd that only union members get to vote on whether or not to accept a pay deal? Surely a fairer system would be to ask everyone whose wage is affected if they agree.
Essentially, there is a ~€300/year paywall to be allowed vote on a change to your own salary.
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