How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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66k net, after tax/USC/PRSI is a good wage for a family of four.
66k gross is not.
Net. It's a struggle now with the cost of living.
The Unions are in a very weak position when it comes to negotiating. Public Servant's accepted a terrible deal the last time and showed no backbone. That's not a great place to be starting from. I think the average joe's grasp (lack of, more so) on inflation doesn't help much either.
THIS.
A precedent was set last year when a very poor deal was accepted with the lure of some backdated money (that was most likely spent by Christmas) extra cost of living payments like the electricity credits and vague budget promises which should never have been factored into pay negotiations.
I was one of the few who was vocal against the last deal and got absolutely lambasted for it. But now funnily enough, I'm seeing a change in attitude in some who vocally supported the previous deal. Reality must have sunk in.
However, I can't see the negotiations this time around being any different. It will be the crumbs off the table again, drip fed in tiny percentages.
Why? Because public sector workers have weak unions (despite the impression to the contrary) and the majority of staff won't back a strike.
And that's all I'm going to say on the matter.
Yes, I see what you mean.
On paper, my wage is good, it is greater than 1.5x mean earnings.
But after taxes, PS pension conts (900+ pm), income protection, the net is a bit over 55k, and as you say, I am feeling a squeeze.
If you are feeling the squeeze off €55k Net then you have serious budgetary problems that have feck all to do with pay deals etc. You are earning 20k over the national average and are struggling, that's simple mismanagement of your finances plain and simple.
It's nothing to do with mismanagement of finances. Interest rates, energy costs, inflation have all dramatically increased in the year few years. All public servsnts have seen a massive reduction in their purchasing power and a drastic readuction in their standard of living. And this is all on the back of energy companies making record breaking profits, the government having a record breaking surplus and now we are seeing banks posting massive profits on the back of the interest hikes.
I said it was all relevant. You have absolutely no idea of peoples mortgage commitments and other loan commitments. You have no idea what is going on with anyone.
You should run for government with a tone deaf personality like that.
It's amazing the extent and breath of the poor mouthing from the propaganda machine is.
All through the Celtic Tiger, the subsequent crash, the current economic cycle, it's been nothing but misery from the usual cabal.
The worst thing about it is the genuinely low paid COs seemed to have lost their voice in that time.
My household income is below average for my family size.
Although my gross wage is greater than 1.5x the national average earnings, my household income is below average.
Combine that with expensive children's activities, plus real wages falling, can explain much of it.
Please note that I would not describe these as serious budgetary problems.
In practice, it means that the amount I can save per month has fallen sharply, to more or less zero.
A poor deal in your opinion. Most people's opinion including mine thought it was a good deal. I haven't seen any change in attitude. Put it this way , if the same deal was offered again 90% would be delighted.
PRD/ASC was not part of any agreement that any union signed up to. PRD/ASC exists. Acknowledging existence does not constitute agreement.
It seems that you've been carrying some kind of grudge about me for quite some time. I genuinely couldn't be arsed with getting into discussions based on your misrepresentation of what happen on other threads. You can make up your own little fantasies about 'coasting' if that's what gets you off.
To be noting concern about a 5%-8% cut in salary doesn't quite reach the threshold of 'being obsessed about money'. Are you saying if I came into your workplace and cut your salary by 5%-8%, you'd just shrug your shoulders and say 'yah fair enough'.
My only expectation, is the the expectation of any reasonable employee, that their employer would pay the remuneration, including pension, that they agreed to at the time of signing the contract.
Are you saying if I came into your workplace and cut your salary by 5%-8%.
Happens all the time when employees decide to join the pension scheme, just like you were made to make a proper contribution to your pension and not some mickey-mouse 3.5% that did not even apply over the total gross salary.
My family manage on a single CO wage. You really need to at your spending if you can't manage on 55k
That's your opinion.
Why should people accept a significantly lower standard of living when the government have a massive budget surplus?
Yeah but the vote % was a fact.
You say managing of CO wage, But you prob recieve other benefits such as Working family payment, medical card and have no rent/mortgage/or on HAP which makes it managable so the comparison is in no way fair
I never disputed the outcome of the previous vote, I just never supported the deal. I also don't believe people were happy with the deal, I think they just settled for it.
If you want an argument about it now, go take it up with those those on this thread who supported the previous deal, but have already said they will vote for industrial action this time around, if lower than 8% is offered.
I'm not interested in arguing about it again, not after last time.
I don't want an argument at all, it is clear that people were happy about the previous deal. So clear. I haven't seen any shift in attitude. If we were offered the same again it would be a yes by 85% plus. How many posters have changed their mind haha , 1 or 2?
Most people would take 7.5% over 12 months. CPI for July is 5.8% so hard to see 7.5 being justified.
I didn't get to 'decide' to lose 5%-8% of my contracted salary.
Opt out of your occupational pension then. What did they say to you when you tried to opt out of the pension upon joining? The one you knew you had to join?
Seems like you don't want to be part of your occupational pension scheme.
It will be another poor deal
Maybe 2% in March 24 and 1.5% Oct 24 (3.5% spread over the full year)
Then another 2.5% in 2025 at some point.
Do I need to explain again about wanting the contractual entitlements detailed in my contract?
And this is why the next deal will be shít. Inflation might be lower now than it was - that means prices are still going up, just more slowly. But this will be used as an excuse to make a lowball offer.
The living standards sacrificed in the last deal will never be made up.
So you think a substantial reduction in your living standards was a good deal and would vote for the same again... 🙄
Nice rush to judgement there, how much rent or mortgage do you pay as a matter of interest?
I would be optimistic for a more generous offering from the government this time around with the government needing plenty support going into the next election. Inflation is still way above average, mortgage interest rates have shot up and the budget is heading for €10bn surplus. I imagine we’ll have some idea what is on the table in advance of the budget in October.
Well the 2022 deal would cover the 2022 inflation but not anything since the deal was signed. I'd be hopeful of getting 5-6% but i imagine that would be over two years.
Yeah I think it was a great deal , as did many. Unrealistic to have expected salary increases to match inflation. I am glad 90% went with the smart pragmatic approach.
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