How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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At the same time as the Pension Related Deduction took a big bite out of our paycheques that has never been restored?
Talks will get underway in the lead up to the budget. They need to know for the budget what funding is required to be allocated in the budget itself for 2024.
Some years you will get a rise above inflation
🙄 That never happened once in my 25+ year career so far, except for benchmarking which of course was clawed back not long after
Of course the Indo and the usual suspects in the W&J forum ignore the several years before benchmarking where we got 1.5% a year pay rises when inflation was well above that...
You are blaming the public sector for when the private sector crashed the economy.
Maybe ease off the Irish Independent koolaid.
Oh and if you tax a supplier of goods or services, what do you think will happen? The consumer ends up paying anyway.
The thing about playing catchup is, as I've said a few times now, there never is a catch-up. We have our living standards eroded in pay deal after pay deal and this is ground lost which is never, and will never, be won back because we are stupid/deluded/cowed/intimidated enough to keep on voting for pay deals which make us poorer.
No, it's quite simple.
If you cannot or will not back up a claim then don't make that claim.
Weekends away my arse, as far as the PSEU was concerned anyway.
80 bn surplus!!!
The public budget was in massive deficit during 2020 and 2021.
The 2022 surplus was 8 bn, not 80.
The PRD has been reduced, as it now starts at about 34k.
The rate is lower for members of the SPSPS.
Due to historically unprecedented COVID expenditure.
Bzzt, thanks for playing.
Next!
Still a big chunk gone out of pre 2009 salaries, with no discussion at all about restoration.
Then the thresholds below which no pension contribution is made is a PS worker benefit. If someone in the Private Sector pays 6% pension, they pay it on their entire gross salary, not after the €13000 and after €34000 for the ASC.
So it all evens out.
Starting a job shortly in the public sector, the salary I’m to start on is such a figure, I presume this figure will then be topped up in October by €750 as it’s higher than a 1.5% pay increase
Do all salaries on the pay scale increase by this figure, so for example does the next point on my pay scale increase by €750 also?
Let's see the calcuation behind this "big chunk" then, including the thresholds below which no contribution to ASC is taken. What would someone in the private sector have to contribute to get the same benefit?
Lots of claims thrown out by you, very little by the way of calculations.
It generally applies to the lower grades.
It's either 1.5% or 750 whichever is greater.
Yes, all points on all pay scales go up by the amount. 1.5% or €750, whichever is greater.
The point was that people signed up for particular contracts with particular salaries and remuneration levels. This novel idea that one particular aspect of public expenditure should be paid by cutting public sector salaries in a sneaky and underhand way was introduced retrospectively, taking a substantial chunk out of public sector salaries.
Pension contributions has nothing to do with salary. Do you also equate the price increase of a litre of milk as a pay cut? After all, like the pension, you're paying extra for the same thing.
The cost of providing you with a pension has increased. Therefore it's going to cost you more.
Before 2009, state employees were stealing a pension. Tiny headline rates that were not even applied to the entire gross salary.
Get over it. Your pension contributions are no more arduous than you'd pay elsewhere.
Yet again, the goalposts were shifted. There was no provision in the original contract for increased costs to be applied, or indeed reduced costs to be applied. There was never any provision in the contract to suggest that previous pension deductions were supposed to cover the entire costs of pension provision.
The contract was for a certain salary AND pension. And then salaries were cut.
If I had a fixed price contract for milk for my lifetime, then yes, any attempt to pass on increased costs would be a cut in income.
The only stealing here is the stealing of a chunk of public sector salaries.
So I assume that you are equally against increases in salaries, outside of promotions?
You point to the contract you signed, that doesn't specify any details on future increases either.
I mean this argument isn't really about inflation is it? My point being that everything has gone through the roof and it appears that most of it is gouging rather than inflation. At some point workers have to be given some reward for going out to work. A lot of people I know now on decent enough salaries are just surviving. Id have always thought that 66k net salary between a family of 4 was a decent comfortable wage. But it's not anymore. I know everythig is relative to your outgoings but this is madness at this stage.
I too would be in favour of industrial action if a minimum of 8 percent is not agreed upon.
The contract refers to payscales, which are adjusted by agreement with both sides.
The PRD cut was imposed unilaterally, with the employer abusing its government powers to raise tax as a HR management tool.
Subsequent agreements reference the PRD and ASC. These subsequent agreements have been voted through.
Many people had job losses imposed unilaterally regardless of contracts. Why do you think you deserve some extra rights most others haven't enjoyed?
With the talks due to start again soon did you ever get sorted with the previous money owed?….I know my partner is still waiting and it’s been complete silence from the NSSO on the matter. Coming up on 12 months now which is an absolute joke.
I’ve referenced the PRD and the ASC. That doesn’t mean that I agree with them.
It’s funny how far you have to shift the goalposts to try to stretch this out. Job losses weren’t decisions made by Government, apart from the considerable reduction in size of the public sector.
You might not agree with it, but lots of your colleagues put pen to paper signing agreements that included the PRD and ASC rates.
Your ansgst, 14 years on, ties into your obsession with money. You thought you could coast to a pension paying minimal contributions and now that has changed is eating you up, which is why you keep banging on about it.
During WFH for Covid, your biggest problem was that YOU were not saving money because you were never paying commuting and eating out costs pre covid. Even though lots of your colleagues were.
You couldn't see past the increase in electrical bills to the convenience wfh offered people, more time with family and for hobbies.
Seems like your solidarity is quite limited in fact.
We got sorted in June. 4cof us moved from NSSO to the same office in another department. All got sorted eventually.
I'll try root of a complaints email. I was onto the wrc and the withholding of pay is illegal under the pay act
your obsession with money
you keep banging on about it
Is a little self-awareness too much to ask for?
Thanks for that…would really appreciate it.
I didn’t get sorted yet either
Email is support@nssocomplaints.cloud.gov.ie
Full details on the complaints process can be found on our website:
https://nsso.gov.ie/en/corporate-information/make-a-complaint/
Response from the WRC
Non-Payment of Wages
In accordance with the Payment of Wages Act 1991 non-payment of wages or any deficiency in the amount of wages properly payable by an employer to an employee on any occasion will be regarded as an unlawful deduction from wages unless the deficiency or non-payment is attributable to an error of computation.
In cases of improper deductions from wages or non-payment of wages, an employee may refer a complaint to an Adjudication Officer of the Workplace Relations Commission under the Payment Of Wages Act. The complaint must be made within a period of 6 months beginning on the date of the contravention to which the complaint relates. If the Adjudication Officer is satisfied that there are exceptional circumstances s/he may decide to extend the period for up to a further 6 months.
The relevant complaint form can be completed and submitted on-line from the website at www.workplacerelations.ie.
I've given numerous calculations to debunk the spin and lies peddled by state employees when it comes to their pension contributions. You can refer to this one for an example: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120436801/#Comment_120436801
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