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The government is hoovering up too much housing - the private working taxpayer is hurting

Fred Cryton

Biggest private landlord sells 194 Dublin homes to housing charity – The Irish Times

Here we have a case where company is selling 194 homes to a "Housing charity" (really means the government as these "charities" are government funded) at €371k each.

You can imagine the company would have instead sold them to individual hard working taxpayers for €350k to €450k each if the government wasn't hoovering up as many homes as it could get. Perfect price range for a working couple in middle Ireland for their first home - for example a teacher married to a nurse.

The media narrateive focusing on welfare recipients, refugees, "homeless" has led to a ridiculously skewed allocation of housing capital in favour of the govenrment, and is actively hurting private buyers. We need to defund the NGO's and make it illegal for a council to lease or buy from a private developer. The government should build its own housing from its own budget on greenfield sites outside the M50.

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hymenelectra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944027#Comment_120944027

While everyone should be careful in taking these anecdotes at face value, the simple fact of the matter is that there are too many people.

Ergo, they're going somewhere, and more than likely, that means someone else is going nowhere. Be they on the streets, not attending a college, stuck in inappropriate or overcrowded homes, isolated from family, removed from economic hubs or what have you.

Nothing is unbelievable, basically.

It's a game of musical chairs where not only are there fewer chairs over time, there's also more people.

A whole lot fooked up, possibly one or two things not yet fooked up, we're working on it - every government party's election slogan.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944027#Comment_120944027

Why would a Garda and her family have been in receipt of a rented house owned by OPW in the first place?

hymenelectra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944093#Comment_120944093

Why are hotels the length and breadth of the country being used to accommodate anyone from anywhere fulltime?

Sure the country is a joke. Anything goes now.

It's like looking at a 50 car pileup catastrophe and wondering about the tyre pressure of that one blue car.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120942134#Comment_120942134

I took you up wrong, apologies.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944127#Comment_120944127

It's the old magician 'look over there' trick.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944262#Comment_120944262

Is there really a strong element across society that see the government and direction of the country as "illegitimate"?

Most opinion polls suggest that if an election was held now, the same government would be re-elected into power.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944027#Comment_120944027

How much was your Garda friend paying in rent?

How much is rent in a private rented house in templemore?

How much more is it worth to put Ukrainian family into that house?

There are lots of places where high rents force gardai, teachers, nurses out, but definitely not in templemore, where they can rent privately easily

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944127#Comment_120944127

Because the government isn't providing actual houses for people.

Obviously

realitykeeper

I think it is important to recognise that both inflation of the money supply which resulted in the food price inflation we are now seeing, is really a stealth tax. The response to inflation is higher interest rates, the effect of which places the burden of this tax on people with mortgages as opposed to property owners generally.

This is ironic as the chief beneficiaries of the inflated money supply were people who owned their properties outright.

Surely then, a more honest and fair way of responding to high inflation is to tax property generally but to go easy on those with mortgages. I am only referring to people who actually pay their mortgages. People who don't should be evicted.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058307844/the-government-is-hoovering-up-too-much-housing-the-private-working-taxpayer-is-hurting

I don't know what salary you think nurses and teachers are on if you think 350k to 450k is "a perfect price range for their first home"

coolbeans

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945032#Comment_120945032

"...can rent privately easily." You haven't a clue about the rental situation in this country if that's what you think.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945847#Comment_120945847

They can afford to rent in templemore or buy a house in templemore on a Garda salary.

It's the big cities where they cannot.

coolbeans

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945863#Comment_120945863

There are two houses to rent in Templemore atm. Garda can't just magic up houses out of nowhere. You don't seem to get that the housing problems are nationwide and not confined to the "big cities."

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945874#Comment_120945874

They can afford to buy.

coolbeans

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945881#Comment_120945881

Blithe dismissal of real problems. Righteous but clueless.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945895#Comment_120945895

Nope. They had very cheap rent and were lucky, they should have saved money and can afford to buy a house.

Gardai in big cities cannot.

coolbeans

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945881#Comment_120945881

I can tell you have no real experience of these problems because you seem to think you have all the answers but yet you don't. I pointed out the rental property shortage in Templemore and you respond that they should just buy then. That's a really clueless response that lacks any empathy or understanding.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945822#Comment_120945822

Crimea river...

The United States was not among the top five, with an hourly wage of $16.44.According to a Euspert post based on data from Insider Monkey and various nursing polls, the top five countries for 2016 are Denmark, Australia, Ireland, the United States, and Luxembourg. According to Euspert, the average yearly salaries in those countries were $54,000, $56,000, $64,000, $70,000, and $82,000, respectively. Based on a 2080-hour work year, the average hourly wage in Denmark was $25.96, $26.92 in Australia, $30.77 in Ireland, $33.65 in the United States, and $39.42 in Luxembourg.

JP Liz V1

The amount of red tape, issues etc., getting planning permission for a build would put anyone off

There needs to be some help for lower income, working class with getting homes either buying or renting, is there a rent to buy scheme?

If there was an GE tomorrow I haven't a clue who to vote as none appeal, offer any good solutions

[Deleted User]

David McWilliams wrote an interesting article that was in the Irish Times on Saturday. Basically the State is not providing the services it needs to for a population that has grown very dramatically. And there's likely to be a serious backlash unless the gaps are plugged very quickly.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think McWilliams is on the money, the country is fraying at the seams, poor hospitals, no houses to rent, ordinary working people struggling financially. And the worst thing is all this is the case when there is full employment. People are disillusioned already; if the economy dips the social order will be under serious pressure.

Immigration is the root problem, the population has grown too fast. That's not an anti-immigrant statement btw, it's a statement of the very obvious.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120946031#Comment_120946031

Do you have any idea how much rent they paid for that opw house? I do. Basically nothing. That's why they were living in it, we all would if we had the chance.

I know exactly what the issues are around homelessness and lack of supply, took me 5 months to find my current rental, my friend and her family are at risk from homelessness, and the massive shortage of houses to buy means that I can't find anywhere to purchase. There are literally thousands of people who are sleeping on friends couches, parents spare rooms, families being split up and those are not even being counted in the homeless figures of over 12,000. There are whole families living in one bedroom in hotels.

There is a massive crisis, this Garda that had cheap rent in templemore really isn't any kind of victim of it.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120946686#Comment_120946686

No it's not. These problems all existed before the recent increase of refugees.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120946756#Comment_120946756

In fairness, there's no mention of refugees in the post to which you are responding.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120946982#Comment_120946982

That's true

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947005#Comment_120947005

So why did you respond in the way that you did?

Fox Tail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120946750#Comment_120946750

All good points.

The true, "own door homeless" that are off the offical list but are sofa surfing or living with parents and relatives (out of necessity, not choice) etc is completley ignored by the state.

Effectivley, you only appear on a homeless list when you can demonstrably put your hand out and ask the govt for support in some way.

If you crack on yourself, work hard and have to live on your mates sofa, well then you're doing just fine, according to the govt stats.

Fox Tail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120946982#Comment_120946982

The author mentions immigration as one of the key reasons for the govt to invest in infrastructure, immediately. Not in 5 years time.

The article isnt blaming immigration, but it is attributing immigration as a central driver for the NEED to invest in societal infrastructure. More homes, schools, healthcare provision et al.

If we werent seeing such a large population increase (which is currently chiefly driven by immigration) then we wouldnt need to invest so much in services.

The article is simply pointing out what we all know.

The govt isn't investing in services, in line with a population increase, that the govt itself is nuturing.

And as a result, something has to give.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947079#Comment_120947079

I think you may be replying to a different poster as I did not refer to any article in my post. However, you say:

"If we weren't seeing such a large population increase (which is currently chiefly driven by immigration) then we wouldn't need to invest so much in services."

Assuming this is your view too, this can indeed be seen as blaming immigration.

Fox Tail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947098#Comment_120947098

Yes, apologies, original IT article was quoted by another poster.

I just tagged on to your reply.

Blaming immigration for what, exactly?

I was pointing out my interpretation of the article.

I think, if anything, the article is blaming the govt for not responding to the population increase.

The govt is failing to provide a growth in social infrastructure and services that is commensurate with the growth in population.

I fully agree with that perspective.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120946464#Comment_120946464

Your 2 word response means nothing. Want to try more words?