Have to imagine the rank and file would be feeling rather vulnerable right now. I haven't read anything about them transferring to Belarus with Prigoyzin, and it's hard to believe that they would be trusted if brought under MoD control.
Now Shoigu has appeared, acting like nothing happened so Prigozhin failed in his primary objective. No doubt, Gerasimov will also appear soon.
It will be trickier for Putin. He can’t just reappear - he has to tell the Russian people how he saved Russia from the “apostasy against our people”, “the great disaster” of 1917, the “stolen victory”.
He needed Prigozhin’s head on a spike from the Kremlin walls, instead Prigozhin was seen smiling and waving to well-wishers as he headed for Belarus.
Western media was full of commentary over the weekend. Don’t waste your time. I haven’t seen anything which added to our sum of knowledge.
Does the CIA or MI-6 or the BND know what’s going on? Does Putin?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12233421/Russian-Defence-Minister-Sergei-Shoigu-seen-meeting-troops-Russian-state-TV.html
Kremlin say criminal case into Prigozhin is still active and they are backing Shoigu........so will it be the bullet or the cage for Prigozhin ?
So far, the only winner I can see here is Lukashenko.
He has been fending off the embrace of his “big brother” Putin for years. Just last month, he had to accept Russian nuclear weapons on his territory. Now, he looks like Russia’s saviour- the man who made the deal that prevented a second Russian civil war. Of course, he could only play that role with Putin’s agreement but the fact remains that he got Putin out of a bind.
It will be fascinating to see how Lukashanko leverages his new position as the “guarantor of the deal”. He holds a trump card - Prigozhin. A guest of the nation.
It's a risk he has to take. If he does not get rid of Prigozhin it will embolden others to try. I don't think Putin is going to survive the fall out from this war in the end, I think once the Russian public see the war has been lost, elites close to Putin will turn on him.
Absolutely not. In fact he's been called out on that very tweet
But yeah he's constantly making up stories. I stopped following him a few months ago when he claimed that the Russians had nuclear bombers in the air who had to be persuaded to ignore their order and not to launch their weapons. Whenever he bothers to answer skepticism he points to sources that are completely unverifiable
Marvellous!. Directly contradicts what was said by the Kremlin less than 48 hours ago. Just goes to show once again that they are a totally untrustworthy pack of liars.
Nobody and nothing can cure that idiot and idiots like him
He had such an opportunity. That he stopped on account of not receiving support sounds like a weak decision. Easy to give support to the current tyrant from the safety of your desk. They weren't hitting massive resistance. That should have been enough to embolden him and his men. I just don't see how he figured a safe way out for himself without taking Moscow. Wagner is not disbanded yet and I assume he won't disband them until he's secure. Are they holding some facilities as security? The march may have stopped but there's more to play out.
I swear, at this stage I'm not sure the Kremlin knows what the Kremlin is doing in the Kremlin.
We really don't need Prigozhin to be in charge of some nukes. He's a crazy lunatic with money being the thing he's after. If he's in charge of nukes then he'll use that to his advantage somewhere in the world to pillage someone somewhere of their resources. And when he's done he'd happily sell it on to some other crazy loon somewhere in the world.
Another thing to consider is that Prigozhin stayed in Rostov with the main body of his troops, whereas the thunder run to Moscow was apparently led by the man who, for many years was considered the founder of Wagner, Dmitriy Utkin.
I'm not sure what the relationship is between the two of them but clearly Prigozhin had enough authority to stop Utkin in his tracks. He must have given him a good reason to halt. So that's another person who probably knows a lot more than everyone else does right now. The more people in the know, the more likely it will be to leak out at some point.
that was some couple of days!!! what happens next i wonder?surely the wagner mercenaries didnt just decide to go for a weekend vodka/coke and hookers spin? are putin and the wagner boss both fcuked?as in proper fcuked?
The bots are saying it’s a masterstroke by Putin as now Wagner is only 100km from Kyiv.
What was stopping Wagner rocking up in Belarus at anytime prior to this? Luka was hardly going to stop them. i suppose a positive story is good for the locals to keep them happy while the next bottle of hooch is being opened
After raping, thieving, paedophiling and murdering their way as far as Berlin in 1945 the soldiers of the red army would also have been released back into the wild when they returned home. These degenerate drunkard deviants didn't just transform into upstanding family men and everybody lived happily ever after. This is the russians' issue to deal with; hordes of angry, feral brutes roaming free and causing nothing but carnage and mayhem.
About time.
I wonder if a small group of special forces types (50 -100) landed on the Kremlin by helicopter could they overthrow the government at the moment. I suspect that they could.
Russians, surprisingly held out for a long time there. Genuinely surprised at that.
Alexey Dyumin's name is now popping up more frequently as Shoigu's successor. There had been speculation during Prigozhin's mutiny that Dyumin was pulling the strings. Dyumin is currently governor of the Tula region. Unlike Shoigu, he is former military and was active as an intelligence agent in Crimea in 2014, so I guess he'll be popular with the Z-radical crowd.
he more than likely only had 1 opportunity and he blew it for trust in a guy who has had countless assassinated for far less - what a waste of a chance
It was on a dominant height so it was definitely the strongpoint in that defence.
This will open up a lot of possible routes of attack to south now for Ukraine - they wont be long getting to the first big entrenched line after this. Time for a big push soon
Vlad Vexler's takes are always worth a listen.
In his latest video he claims:
I think now that everyone has seen how easy it is to make your way to Moscow that some of these separatists groups that have popped up round Belgorod and other places might think it's worth having a go. They'll need to commandier some decent gear but seemingly you can rock up the the nearest base and take whatever is going without too much resistance. Its like the soviet firesale all over.
RFK Jr. showing that hard hitting research, he's so well known for, in selecting a Russia expert to talk to about the latest unfolding events:
Just wondering what happened to Mrs Prigozhin and the kids. As far as I know they live in Moscow.
Prigozhin stopped his men before they got to Moscow. And he got nothing in return. He got to go to Belarus and that's it.
There's obviously some part of the deal that we don't know. Either Putin gave him something, maybe gave into some demand that we don't know of. Or Prigozhin suddenly had more to lose by continuing. I wouldn't put it past Putin to take the family hostage.
That latest village is 15.5km from the main defensive line in that region
Interestingly the Russians at Remivka are "Storm-Z" (Shoigu's Prisoner-filled PMC) . A group of them were on video pledging their support to Progohin the other day and then released another video afterwards enraged that he had backed down. Be interesting to see what their motivation levels are like.
id put the house on the A-team being able to do it...
Did he get a balcony room, top floor?
Rivnopil confirmed, that flattens the front line in that sector.
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