Those 24 hours might just turn out to be enough of the whispers of the Ukrainians crossing the Dnieper are valid. If they manage to secure the south bank then they'll have achieved something that wasn't at all likely a day ago. Fingers crossed.
It's not a win win for Ukraine im afraid to say. Russian troops pulled out of Ukraine to defend the homeland would have been a win win. In all likelihood an embarrassed Putin will want to deflect now over the next few days and will concentrate on the war effort.
You have to imagine that Pergozin got himself a deal from the Kremlin. This will make Putin look weak. Pergozin gets to avoid bloodshed and gets what he wants. If Shogyiu and Gerassimov are casualties of the deal then Putin is no longer in control.
Concentrate with what??
Putin called him a backstabber today and now letting him off Scott free. Doesn’t add up.
There's no way Wagner and their equipment is heading back to Ukraine to be shot in the back. So that's a positive for Ukraine.
Putin will have him dealt with in the near future, you can be sure of that.
Maybe Putin will pull some of the troops back after realising how vulnerable they are to a domestic rebellion. Maybe this could be the beginning of the end?
With whatever he had 2 days ago. It's not that hard to understand a possible coup and civil war in Russia would have benefitted Ukraine greatly. This morning i was hoping for the Ukrainians to be chasing the Russians to the border as they fled to defend the homeland now they'll have to do it the hard way.
Shoigu's resignation may not mean as much if it's Putin who'll appoint his successor. He could easily pick someone who's as bad in all the categories that Shoigu is.
Yeah, and being Russia, those might be the same soldiers they greeted but with a different uniform they had yesterday.
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Still time. Ukraine don't have a huge amount of resources to go inflaming a situation which is inflaming perfectly well on its own thank you very much.
I mean despite the chaos its not as if Russia can't see from where attacks come.
I'm sure they'll make strategic hay when the time is right.
All over already?
Some rebellion..
I don't buy the idea that this was all for show.
Putin looked incredibly vulnerable today and the whole world was watching. Prigozhin was ranting like a Traveller boxer and now he's just taking his foot off the pedal to calm things down? None of it makes sense, it just makes Russia look terribly disorganised and fragile.
With all that's gone on between Progozhin and Putin, any agreement will surely be an uneasy one. What happens when there's another setback in Ukraine? Does Prigozhin race back to Moscow and order Putin to sack more people? This ruins Putin's strongman reputation if he doesn't put Prigozhin in his place.
The fact that this doesn't seem to have been broadcast in Russia is what's interesting to me. Putin wouldn't want Russians to see how he was played by Prigozhin.
How does it go from Putin saying it's treason to now an agreement between both parties
Pergozin is a dead man walking
Yeah. Looks like two rich scumbags having a disagreement. And Prizoghin will now go back to taking orders from Putin?
I'd imagine all rebels will be rounded up in time and disposed of.
None of this makes sense. Not a single part of it
Prigozhin has fallen for the banana in the tail pipe it seems
Hmmmm
Zelensky's released a statement pointing out how Putin's nowhere to be seen. Compare that to him being on the 'frontline' in Kyiv in the early days when he was supposedly top of a kill list as the 60-mile* Russian convoy advanced on Kyiv.
Putin does not run the show anymore. He'll be put on as a face of the company. The FSB and Armed forces abandoned Putin today. There is no way back for them and as a partnership.
The FSB didn't want Wagner to roll into Moscow as it would have made the nation look weak. They also didn't want civil disorder and battle lines in Ukraine to disintegrate.
The FSB still clearly want Crimea and Donbass and they would have lost it all if there were a few days on chaos.
Putin will be moved aside very soon. Maybe even arrested. This will keep relative civil order, instead of the clusterfuck that would have occured tonight. Putin will be put under house arrest and live out his days in the Dacha.
The fact that Wagner got as far as they did so easily, taking out some Russia assets as they rolled shows that they have the southern garrisons on their side. Maybe there'll be a renewed assault on Ukraine, but Wagner complained that they were up against NATO standards unlike what they'd been used to in Africa.
It does feel like an unravelling of power, even if Putin remains in place.
Can you imagine someone in US shooting down American helicopters, killing American soldiers, and then Biden ringing him up and saying '' I'm going to give you so so so much money, please stop ''
Russia really is comical
How could Putin possibly accept a private mercenary group deciding who runs Russia's armed forces?
That would be a defeat for Putin and a serious blow to his own authority.
All a bit weird.
His authority Is gone.
Putin fled it seems, couldnt stop mercs taking a city , abandoned by his own FSB and MoD. Putin is done. Figurehead president maybe.
Looks like it is over for the time being.
The road that was blocked with traffic in red on Google maps are gradually turning orange and green again.
Wagner went from a run on the capital and military allowing progress and in some cases joining in to now negotiating a stop and turn around. Not sure how this will be resolved.
An Al Jazeera commenter indicated that Russian troops won't take this very well and may not be anxious to fight anymore. I wonder are we going to see mass desertions or surrender?
Had to laugh at hois reason for stopping the march on Moscow. To avoid bloodshed!
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