Hopefully a good outcome ahead.
Sub named Titan.
And they were spouting this whole mantra of having an engineering team of bold inspirational youngsters and how they didn't want to be led by by white 50s guys.
Well it just goes to show that all this young inspirational speil is grand, but they might, just might have benefited from the experience and more steady hand of a few 50 year old OGs.
i had been wondering at the start why the US navy was not assisting in the underwater search. Now it all makes sense - they already knew they were dead, and it would have been a waste of their time to go doing some tokenistic "searching"
Cue conspiracy theories that no one was on board.
They have found it.
they found;
I’m guessing the carbon fibre tube either looks likes the photos above, or it pancaked, and any organic matter that was inside the capsule (the crew) was instantly turned to pulp, and most likely no traces will be found.
Yikes. Would they not already have found it, though, if they’ve found nose and tail sections?
The CEO guy got off light tbh given what he has done.
Had he not been in it himself he'd have understood what he did, but like most people of his ilk, would probably have explained it away as "exploration risk", in his own mind at least, and self absolved himself from blame.
40 years in prison or a lifetime in hiding would at least have shown him what society thought of his actions.
No pity for anyone there bar that young man. The pilot/captain should have known better with his experience, and the paid-up billionaires were just dick measuring as those people do.
Yes at the start of the week it said the Scottish mans son was with him but thankfully that doesn't seem to have been the case.
I heard an expert make an intersting comments as too how unknown and vast the seas are when she mentioned more people have been into space than have been to those depths under water. It's no place for tourism and hopefully this tragedy reitirates that.
RIP to all that were lost, may it have been quick an unknown to you all. Sympathies to their families.
The Hull was made of filament wound carbon fibre which isn't brittle, at least not in the way a car windscreen would be. Chances are it's a fibrous mess, a bit like these failed composite pressure vessels
Quite terrifying video. Obviously the brittle carbon-fibre hull would have shattered.
A sad end not unexpected.
RIP to the lost crew.
Fair winds to the searchers.
I'm guessing (just guessing) that someone in the military would have checked whatever acoustic logs/sonar they had and would have known it had imploded. That way you say nothing so as to not give away your technological prowess. The hull would be found anyway.
If the military HADN'T seen the implosion on their equipment they may well have helped out, as they would have known it unlikely to be an implosion and then there was the chance of people alive.
I’d say an ROV capable of diving to 4,000m would cost a pretty penny, and not something a company on a shoestring could afford easily….
even their method of launch off the back of the ship looked a bit iffy…. They’d have merely been renting that ship for the few weeks of the year they’d be doing dives…
True - though I still think there'll at least be charged pressed, even if they don't stick. The directors will have a lot of work ahead of them defending those charges. I don't know if gross negligence can trump any of that for example (and if this constitutes gross negligence)
There's a billionaire widow in this so money is no object.
The ROVs arrived on the scene this morning. The first place they went to was to the titanic itself and I imagine worked out from that and sure enough found the debris field.
I find nothing suspicious about that. However as I said earlier in the thread, the fact the Polar Prince didn't have its own ROV is a bit ridiculous. If it had, it could have sent it down on Sunday morning when they lost contact and negated the need for this huge search and rescue effort
Suspected it, likely certain it was the implosion but that's not confirmation.
What benefit would there be to making a public statement, information seems to have been passed on to relevant people
It's actually unbelievable you could get away with this complete disregard for safety. Money really talks.
Everyone on board was fully informed of the risks, and signed a disclaimer to that effect.
International waters are one of the last bastions of free will without regulation or litigation. Plenty may see that as a good thing.
I am left wondering that is left of the carbon fiber hull when it imploded at those pressures. Did the material just collapse inwards or shatter into billions of pieces like a car windscreen?
There's more than one director. You can see their Board of Directors via a Google search, though the website is acting up, probably not surprisingly.
They're all equally responsible for the company's operations. In particular, risking people's lives in unsafe submarines (if that turns out to have been what's happened here, and it looks like it)
Maybe they did hear it, but disregarded it at the time, or just didn’t pick up on it for whatever reason… (a single isolated pop in the ocean won’t sound like a Russian sub)
I’d say in the coming days/weeks/months they’ll (or someone else who might have been listening) release whatever they heard during the moment of implosion…
Nose cone found intact so more than likely the carbon fibre shattered.
Going back to the possibility mentioned earlier that the implosion was probably heard at the time by military monitors, it seems more and more plausible that this was the case given the speed of discovery.
I’m awed by those capabilities and the thought of whatever other secret technologies the US defence forces operate.
Given that an implosion is all-but confirmed, and that we can assume that any such underwater listening arrays would have picked it up, I wonder what people’s thoughts are on the ethics of sitting on that information. If the programme has existed for half a century, it would hardly be news to America’s military antagonists.
The design codes for composite pressure vessels include a factor for the anticipated number of pressure cycles during the vessels life. The more cycles, the thicker the vessel to compensate for fatigue.
The director died in it.
And here's the full statement from the company:
"We now believe that our CEO Stockton Rush, Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman Dawood, Hamish Harding, and Paul-Henri Nargeolet, have sadly been lost.
These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans. Our hearts are with these five souls and every member of their families during this tragic time. We grieve the loss of life and joy they brought to everyone they knew.
This is an extremely sad time for our dedicated employees who are exhausted and grieving deeply over this loss. The entire OceanGate family is deeply grateful for the countless men and women from multiple organisations of the international community who expedited wide-ranging resources and have worked so very hard on this mission.
We appreciate their commitment to finding these five explorers, and their days and nights of tireless work in support of our crew and their families.
This is a very sad time for the entire explorer community, and for each of the family members of those lost at sea.
We respectfully ask that the privacy of these families be respected during this most painful time."
Compression-decompression cycles occur with aircraft… in an opposite way, and not to pressure cycles encountered by likes of Titan. Aircraft have to be examined at certain intervals, and the older the hull the shorter the intervals, hence they get written off at a certain point unless they prove their specific value, eg like the Mriya before it got destroyed by Putin. At 50 years old it was refitted for an proposed life extension of 25 years.
Old unpressurised aircraft that fly in difficult terrain at lower altitudes, such as the DC3 have specimens 60 and more years old flying servicing Arctic and Antarctic routes because of their robustness and the fact that they have that bit been less exposed to great pressure cycles.
An example of a jet that partially disintegrated mid air, with a mainly happy outcome, was an Aloha Airlines 737 that had been subject to very frequent very short-haul inter-island sprints.
Can't see how that wouldn't happen for sure. What safety measures did they have in place? They do seem to have been winging it a fair bit (though I'm far from an expert), and that's fine until something goes really badly wrong. Which is just has.
I wouldn't like to be a director of that company right now.
Implosion is certainly a better end than suffocating to death over numerous hours. But still, what a way to go.
I'd say we might be looking at criminal charges here against those associated with the company still above ground. The whole thing stinks and it looks like corners were cut from start to finish.
I was thinking that alright.
If it had just been entangled in the wreck (and I think we mostly figured the implosion scenario was most likely) and if the alarm had been raised promptly (it seems it lost contact about 10am, was due to surface about 3pm, but the Coast Guard weren't informed until 5pm), they could actually have rescued the guys.
That's remarkable. Well done those guys, even if it's been all in vain sadly.
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