I'd say Trumpy is raging theres no mugshot.
Think of the merchandise potential wasted!
Given the quality of his NFTs, I'd say any mugshot merchandise would be so heavily edited that it'd look more like a police sketch made from a blind Trump supporter trying to describe to the artist what he thinks Trump looks like.
What nobody really seems to be talking about much is the question of what, if any, fruit that all these 'questions' about election security has borne for Republicans since 2020. People will say that election deniers did not do well in the 2022 midterm elections, and that would seem to be true, but I'm talking about on a much more granular level than that in terms of anybody who is in a position to influence the outcome of Presidential elections at a state by state level, be that members of a state legislature, judges, state election officials and so on. What pieces are being moved into place in this regard, if any, and what steps if any are being taken to counteract it? Obviously, any Republican strategist will recognise that on the party's current policy trajectory, they're probably looking at a popular vote loss in any nationwide election in the normal course of things. It would therefore be a priority, assuming they cannot change message, to then look toward disenfranchising as many voters as possible in as many districts where they have the power to do so.
In the normal course of things, yes I absolutely agree that independent voters decide these elections, but 2024 is shaping up to be anything but a normal election - we're quite possibly looking at the business end of the campaign running concurrently with one of the nominees' criminal trial, and America at a level of political polarisation quite unlike anything seen in recent memory, at the least. In that cauldron, I don't think anyone should be resting on the laurels of things being predictable from an electoral standpoint. Reasonable Americans must be very much on guard for another concerted effort on their democracy.
‘[record scratch] Yeah that’s me. I’m Lindsay Graham, trying to explain to millions of Americans how I’m not in “a Trump cult,”’
Apparently, trump is doing what trump does.
Dig himself a deeper hole...
Respectfully please.
I've been here in the states now for 13+ years. Prior to that I lived in Europe for 5+ years. I grew up and went to college in Ireland.
In my opinion the purpose of politics is to be devise.
The US is being purposefully turned into a Shia/Sunni landscape.
The toxicity of discussion and the inability to debate/discuss is a feature not a bug.
The future at this point is highly uncertain, but most certInly gravitates on each individuals ability to focus on the cause of the disturbance.
Simple things like having some time away from the maddening crowd and social media is undoubtedly an interesting take in this modern world.
The future is and unwritten story, but will ultimately be predicated upon our ability to parse the narratives which we are being fed.
You are not alone.
Peace and love to one and all.
So he pled not guilty to the charges.
Then a few hours later, which can be used as evidence against him, he admitted he was entitled to have the documents.
He's cracking up.
You never know in America though, sexual assault wasn't enough to jail him...
The sexual assault was a civil case, not criminal. He couldn't be sent to jail as a remedy
I hope I am wrong but I do think, if Trump is on the ballot, the voting will be closer than expected. Not because of any policies that Trump will have but because of gerrymandering and voting fraud/exclusion type shenanigans. After all it was Trump voters who were found guilty of fraud and I can see more cases being found next time if he riles up his base.
So I’ll ask you as well.
How will he get independent voters in key swing states who turned their backs on him in 2020 to vote for him again, considering what has happened since?
This is how it will be closer like you think it will be.
If anyone can answer that question I would genuinely appreciate it. I’m getting really sick and tired of asking it and everyone ignoring it.
And for the record, ‘but Biden…’ isn’t an answer.
If it wasn’t for Covid, Trump could have won the 2020 election.
It’s unlikely he’ll win in 2024 but I’d never say never, this is Yank politics at the end of the day.
Somewhere @Faugheen bangs his head off of a wall.
Just what are we supposed to learn from this?
If it wasn't for those pesky kids......
Many state leaders managed to get reelected, some due in part to their handling of Covid. In this case, it was trump's handling of the covid pandemic that arguably cost him the election, not the actual pandemic itself
Nothing, its a bot.
Everyone knows that the proper response when you believe you're legally allowed to possess top secret/classified documents and the FBI/NARA want to make sure you only have what you're supposed to have, is to allow the investigators to check and comply fully with them like Biden and Pence did repeatedly move and hide the documents, store them improperly, trick your legal team into falsely saying they returned all documents they were meant to, repeatedly obstruct the investigators, show the documents to unauthorised people while saying that you can't declassify them, and try to convince numerous people involved to lie to the investigators and hide/remove documents so the investigators can't find them.
He'll never do any time. All it'll take during this trial is a single MAGA juror (which is very likely to happen in Florida) to refuse to convict and it'll be a mistrial. The whole thing will then be dragged out and out until its either forgotten about, or some Republican in office orders the DOJ to drop the charges. I'd love to be proven wrong on that but I'd have serious doubts. Judge Aileen Cannon overseeing the whole thing is another factor.
Here if the jury can't come to a decision then the judge sometimes tells the jury that they can accept an 11-1 or 10-2 verdict. I don't know but I imagine it is the same in the US.
Isn't he on record admitting that he didn't have a right to have those documents? Trump may figure that he's so bang to rights on the documents charges that he may as well rile his supporters up to as high a level he can. If prosecutors have the requisite evidence to convict him, then there's enough utility for Trump to continue talking guff, even if it provides more of a case, in the hope that he can make the case as politically-fraught as possible (and boost his numbers in the primary, apparently).
Depends on the polls of course. A couple of weeks ago, there was a poll out that showed Trump ahead of Biden by 7 points.
I haven't yet found a reputable poll taken after this latest federal indictment, though.
The survey found 47 percent of respondents said they would vote for Trump if the 2024 election was today and Trump and Biden were the political parties’ respective candidates. Forty percent backed Biden, while 13 percent said they did not know or were unsure.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this man will not serve any jail-time.
a) As an ex-president he has to be guarded 24/7 by the secret service, jail is not a possibility under those circumstances.
b) Likewise as ex-president, for national security reasons, he won't be allowed near a prison
c) At the very worst, he will serve some sort of "house arrest".
He has a powerful bat-shiat crazy core, and has most of the Republican party bending the knee to him, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see him wriggle out of this seemingly open and shut case.
Yeah I'd say it would definitely be some form of house arrest. The limitations and level of incarceration there would be what's interesting. Do they limit visitors & communications to be similar to a jail? Do they limit him to just the residence & immediate grounds (ie. not allow him to use a golf course even if it's adjacent to where he's on house arrest due to the security concerns of an entire golf course)? And of course, for how many years?
As much as I'd love to see him in Gen Pop accidentally sitting at "Psycho Pete's" usual lunch table, it'll almost definitely be house arrest of some sort.
The permutations are nuts. Trump could be convicted of a federal crime and be elected president, and the terms of the house arrest would possibly prevent him from attending an inauguration in Washington DC, or he'd have to get day leave of some kind.
IF he’s found guilty, he should be fined and incarcerated.
The fine could pay for his own prison, and the wages of guards, cooks etc over a lifetime of 20 years. He is a billionaire, so this is drop in the ocean stuff. He’s also 77, if he lives past 97, best of luck to him.
They could buy 100 acres, build a couple of perimeter walls (we love walls, don’t we folks?) and a house that houses Trump and his prison guards.
After that, it’s treated like a normal prison. He gets a set amount of visiting hours a week, a set amount of TV time every week, a set amount of access to the internet (monitored), access to a library, exercise time outside, and a federally issued jumpsuit etc.
Before the right wingers go mad and say, “NO-ONE should be treated like that!” Let me answer and say, no other prisoner is like him. He was the President of the United States of America. No-one else would have been able to pull off this crime, so it makes sense that the punishment fits the crime. Have him build his own prison for his own safety would certainly fit the crime of espionage committed by the President of the United States.
I think given the time that would take rather than money, wouldn't be worth it. They could instead modify one of his existing residences.
Even though I agree that his situation is so unique given his position, any kind of reasonable incarceration, whether it be in a new facility or one of his own residences, is a huge step considering what it would have taken for the case to be brought, investigated, gone through trial and being found guilty. House arrest with significant restrictions in terms of visitors, communications, amenities etc akin to what would be in a prison, would be sufficient given his age.
So build a prison just for him? Which Latin American drug lord had that same treatment?
Hopefully the US Federal Prison Service could be less corrupt.
He's a billionaire when it comes time for Forbes to do up their rich list thing, and a pauper when the IRS come knocking. Not saying that Trump couldn't cover the cost, but you know he'd pull every string he could to try get out of it.
This article claims that a person under house arrest still can access 'all the comforts of home' including the Internet. I'm not saying this claim is any way correct, however, just more to start a conversation about why it would or would not be the case
This article goes into various rules around house arrest, but doesn't mention anything I can see with regards to Internet access. Another article I found on the US courts website outlined the ability of law enforcement to strictly monitor a convict's use of computer equipment and even take it away, but this was in the case of a paedophile where, presumably, such equipment would be a direct means to reoffend during home confinement.
There must be black and white legislation out there on this. If Trump retained his bull horn while under house arrest, then he's just going to seek to make people madder and madder and madder.
I don’t see a scenario where he gets to stay living at the scenes of the crime; it wouldn’t really deter anything if he was still keeping yet more hidden documents at mar a Lago or Bedminster, or Scotland, or elsewhere while on “house arrest,” continuing to schmooze with Chinese spies and Saudi princes.
That's why I think there would be limitations imposed regarding visitors & communications. That rather than normal house arrest where it's mostly just an ankle monitor, maybe a guard or two and just "Stay in your house", that a residence for him (whether it be one of his own or a new one bought and secured) is adapted into a prison-type facility for him with a similar level of personal restrictions.
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