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Barbarity of drug pushers

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Was reliably informed of 3 guys who called to a house in Ennis looking for payment of a drug debt from the parents of the son. The parents refused protesting that they had already paid €4k and could pay no more. This btw is what one would call a respectable professional couple.

Apparently the 3 grabbed the son and with a pliers removed 3 teeth in front of the parents. The parents and son refuse to press charges as they are terrified of escalating violence.

What on earth has happened to our society that thugs like this can brazenly go about terrorizing people?

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tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058299936/barbarity-of-drug-pushers

I honestly have no understanding for this. Violence always breeds violence and always leads to different and confliting opinions. There is no point in answering violence with compassion and understanding. I'd be vigilant, and if a drug pusher would approach my house and demand something, I'd stab him with a knife. If it came to a trial, I would argue self defense with an aggressor. The aggressor would most likely be known by police or his background can be verified, so it'll be one against the other in court. And the whole problem wouldn't happen if the police was more effective or possibly better funded.

Wanderer78

...extremely out of date approach to drugs....

....probably wont change either....

Jequ0n

What exactly did they think would happen if they refused to pay? Even the dumbest person on earth should know that this would bring forth retaliation.

Even if they don’t end up paying others in similar circumstances will now to avoid a similar fate. Its nothing new.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691544#Comment_120691544

...guess a stint in jail wouldnt be too bad!

tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691641#Comment_120691641

The problem is that who would the courts believe more, the honest working home owner or the drug pusher? And yes, you have the right to defend yourself.

Also, what's the point in paying a criminal, and being coerced by them, even if you pay, they will come again.

And then there is the police, they are there to protect you, but where are they?

z80CPU

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691545#Comment_120691545

A similar case was documented in Drogheda on RTE Radio 1 a few years ago. The parents paid up before any $^*&% was done then.

tinytobe

The problem with drug pushers is that they only know violence and brute force and at the same time they are not the smartest, because if they were, they'd have different jobs.

Paying them, is like paying Putin in hopes for something and that something will never ever happen.

Flaneur OBrien

Sounds like yet another good reason for the legalisation/decriminalisation of drugs.

Larbre34

That's not a new tactic.

Settling drugs debts with menaces is a 50 year old phenomenon in this Country, at least.

Either learn to pay for what you consume, learn how to handle yourself physically, or don't do drugs kids.

The Guards certainly haven't the resources to be minding every gobshite who got in over his head.

Quitelife

A lot of drugs debts are dubled or quaddroubled on a weekly basis so youve no hope of paying it.

Same in County Limerick, a parents jeep was burned out last weekend over their daughters cocaine debt , travellers control the drug scene in county Limerick and start laughing if you mention the guards. Practically all garda stations in county limerick were closed in 2013.

Theres nobody to protect the people.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691692#Comment_120691692

....reality check! you actually cant go around stabbing people, you will actually be arrested!

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058299936/barbarity-of-drug-pushers

The law isn’t a deterrent. Therefore the risk of carrying out the act is worth the reward. Courts and judges are disassociated from real life and their responsibilities, there is little oversight, certainly no effective oversight. Politicians like the judges are too far removed from reality…. Politicians have nothing to gain they are on the grab all gravy train…little to no accountability.

If the guys were caught… 3-4 year sentence, good chunk suspended so 🤨

literally someone will have to be standing up for our genuine citizens…

You should be looking at a decade inside for that sort of crime.

Tomaldo

Alcohol is a drug that causes more deaths than any illegal one, but I've yet to hear of a pub or off-licence owner who has threatened the family of an alcoholic for unpaid debts. As another poster said, this is another good reason why legalization should be tried.

tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691848#Comment_120691848

This is why I wouldn't live there. Limerick has a bad reputation anyway.

Even the mere discussion about the subject sparks verbal conflict.

Drug dealers and drug debts are still a criminal matter. They are to be handled by the police, and if the police can't one must sadly take things into his or her own hands, and not be caught.

If it came to court who would be believed more, the traveller-drug dealer and collector or the resident who works in a decent job?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691907#Comment_120691907

If the law isn't a deterrent and a light sentence is inevitable then you'd wonder why don't more people follow @tinytobe 's suggestion.

The problem is that retaliation often carries a harsher punishment - which always seems unfair.

Having said that, if you do take the law into your hands you'll probably get more personal satisfaction and are likely to feel that justice was achieved - much more so than you'd get in court as a victim who wouldn't fight back.

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691796#Comment_120691796

Sounds like a good reason to make fire arms more available to me , I’d have given the tinkers both barrels

purplepanda

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692083#Comment_120692083

Over the top retaliation would not be considered fair by courts. Defensive reaction to being attacked would be a valid defence in court.

By over the top I would mean something like repeatedly assaulting & injuring your attacker after they have stopped trying to attack you & your family.

Keep some Hurls by the hallway, with a few sliotars nearby, when the cops come round after an incident you have the proof that you defended your property with whatever you had nearby to hand.

The cops asked to see the balls when a gang of yobs attacked my house 10 years back. If I had a baseball bat instead without the balls I would have been arrested!

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691796#Comment_120691796

Yes, and then the people who will pull people's teeth out will say "we had a good run lads, now all let's get jobs as baristas". I agree that with some kind of legalization you remove the problem of policing smugglers etc., but you will end up with other problems and the underground trade will still be there.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692147#Comment_120692147

Ya think?

You think dispensaries will let people get into debt?

You think legalisation won’t free up resources for the guards to tackle animals like these? Or to tackle an underground trade?

tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692140#Comment_120692140

After having thoroughly cleaned the "instruments" I would have stated to the cops that a bunch of mean looking travellers turned up at my doorstep and were already injured and thus I called the authorities.

The travellers would not have been able to proof that I've injured them nor would they be able to state that they were here to collect on a dug debt or whatever vigilantism they were trying to carry out.

Tavrin Callas

Well, here's a novel (and probably unpopular) idea - how about you don't go buying drugs from these sort of people in the first place. Every time anyone buys drugs illegally you're supporting this sort of criminal behaviour.

I do think drugs should be fully legalised, but until (or if) they are, just don't support the sort of people who sell them.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692218#Comment_120692218

And where do you think people will get drugs from?

Tavrin Callas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692222#Comment_120692222

Obviously they don't get their drugs. You can't have it every which way. Buy drugs and you're supporting this sort of criminality (and then whining about it). Or don't buy them. We're not talking about the necessities required for life here!

kneemos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691986#Comment_120691986

You can't legalise hard drugs.

Maybe they let the kid run up a debt knowing they could tap the parents. Or the kid was dealing and sniffed the lot.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692248#Comment_120692248

You can definitely decriminalise hard drugs. It’s called a health led approach and works wonders in Portugal.

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692196#Comment_120692196

Dream on.

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692218#Comment_120692218

Only sensible solution.

And one that costs nothing.

rolling boh

It's a consequence of taking drugs that young folk don't consider the danger they are putting their families in .There are no free drugs someone always has hefty price to pay .Unfortunately taking the law into your own hands won't end well for the household .

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692248#Comment_120692248

Methadone is a heroin substitute ,given to addicts freely by the state. They can get clean needles in places like Merchants Quay, medically supervised injection rooms are coming soon and some countries give actual heroin to addicts. That drug is practically legal anyway, but it's called treatment or harm reduction. In a 5 year period the HSE gave 50,000 crack pipes to addicts to help prevent disease. Can you give me ONE good reason why cocaine and ecstasy are and should remain illegal, 'cos I've yet to hear it.

johannmall

Isn't this the "legalise drugs" , rock upon which well all perish, wholesale intimidation by thugs under the influence of older criminals , look at that poor kid mulready Woods!