After three years and billions of people's lives disrupted, WHO have finally drawn a line under this fiasco of a pandemic!
Now is the time to quietly bury all the news about the damage done to so many by so few.
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One statistical method to determine the relative rate of late cancer discoveries would be a comparison of the date and stage of diagnoses from two years before pandemic to the next 3 years. Would be interesting to see the graph.
In the UK alone, Diabetes deaths have tripled since the pandemic, which is directly attributable to people not receiving preventative care in a timely manner, due to the pandemic... so heart issues and cancers will be exorbitant numbers..
but no, it is definitely the vaccine
Re: Diabetes, there is also the possibility that long covid increases \ triggers diabetes. Similar studies have shown links to heart issues from long covid. So you can't just look at those figures either and say it is because of delayed \ cancer care.
There is evidence to suggest that beyond the acute phase of COVID-19, survivors might be at an increased risk of developing incident diabetes, and increased risk of incident antihyperglycemic use in the post-acute phase of the disease. Diabetes should be considered as a facet of the multifaceted long COVID syndrome.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(22)00044-4/fulltext#:~:text=Altogether%2C%20there%20is%20evidence%20to,acute%20phase%20of%20the%20disease.
Looks like Long Covid becoming a catch-all is unavoidable, since it is hard to seperate what is/was directly related to the bug and what down to surrounding circumstances.
I agree, but Diabetes UK came out and said that even with that evidence, intervening care would have reduced the current death rates.
Did you read the article?
There were control groups in the study. Therefore it deliberately tried to separate what was related to covid infection and the surrounding circumstances.
Both control groups had no evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Participants in all three comparison groups were free of diabetes before cohort entry and were followed up for a median of 352 days (IQR 245–406)... In the post-acute phase of the disease, compared with the contemporary control group, people with COVID-19 exhibited an increased risk (HR 1·40, 95% CI 1·36–1·44) and excess burden (13·46, 95% CI 12·11–14·84, per 1000 people at 12 months) of incident diabetes; and an increased risk (1·85, 1·78–1·92) and excess burden (12·35, 11·36–13·38) of incident antihyperglycaemic use.
Maybe it would. But how this care could be provided without causing more cases / spread or taking resources away from elsewhere in health services dealing with a pandemic?
"Feeling sick" being designated as an official symptom of Long Covid makes it the perfect catchall. The doctors can all correctly reason that their now deceased cancer/diabetes/heart/stroke/kidney... patient was indeed "feeling sick" and so Long Covid cannot be ruled out from precipitating the premature death.
it's a question that's going to be asked for many years to come.
Was more so pointing it out, as it's one of the first agencies to go on record with regards to continuous higher death averages, triple is quite the number. But you'll still have people blaming it on the vaccines.
The real question is this: are these higher death averages caused by lockdown (i.e. removing essential medical care) OR are these patients all succumbing to Long Covid?! Talk about blaming the vaccines is nothing more than a convenient distraction
Unfortunately part of all this is chancers just using Covid as the latest excuse, but that should not distract from Covid still being not that well understood. Human nature muddies the water.
I think there's currency in how the body reacts to vaccines vis how it reacts to the in-the-wild virus, but that whole debate is utterly toxic.
Pretty much what I said... Diabetes UK are on record saying they have 3 times more deaths than usual, the higher rate they can attribute to reduction of services during lockdowns. That is along with more amputations, people going blind and all the other complications with untreated diabetes.
People who are attributing the higher death rate to probably one of the most tested vaccines in our lifetime, while the real answer is staring them in the face are utterly toxic cretins.
I'm very much pro-vaccine and in mid-2021 I was in the mandatory vaccination camp, but I still feel there are unanswered questions.
So you're a Nazi then...
They've avoided diagnosing Long Injection though...
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Do you have a link for this?
Because diabetes is a known co-morbidity for covid.
How did they control for that?
The article I saw was much more qualified than you have phrased it:
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-65534494
Diabetes: Missed routine checks are causing premature deaths in England, charity warns | The BMJ
Diabetes deaths have TRIPLED in 2023 because NHS backlog is causing missed appointments - Mirror Online
Excess deaths among people with diabetes up by 7,000 as experts warn of diabetes care crisis
Excess deaths on the rise as people with diabetes forced to 'go it alone' with healthcare - The Diabetes Times
Diabetes symptoms as deaths caused by the disease triple across the UK - Daily Record
Number of excess deaths linked to diabetes rises in England (thenationalnews.com)
Mix of serious and sensational links, all giving the same figures....
The deaths tripled. Nowhere does it link all of them to lack of care.
One of the articles says:
Most of these were “were not attributable directly to Covid-19", the charity said.
So already the headline figure is discounted already.
And the figure does not consider the role of long covid in assessing what is 'directly' attributable.
So theres evidence of lack of care contributing to deaths but to assign all of the excess to lack of care is not supported by evidence.
And even within lack of care how much of that is due to pandemic restrictions / diversion of resources versus increased demand due to population trends and long covid.
Literally the first link from BMJ..
"Diabetes: Missed routine checks are causing premature deaths in England, charity warns
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How does that contradict anything in my post?
I am pointing out none of the articles link all of the excess to that issue. A figure of 7000 is headlined and lack of care cited as a cause but it is deceptive.
lack of care is lack of care no matter what way you want to present it
Yes but the point is that diabetics are and were of much higher risk than the general population from severest effects of Covid , so were advised to shield in UK, and here to be very careful throughout .
In high risk groups for vaccination .
So it's a bit of the devil and the deep blue sea really .
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