After three years and billions of people's lives disrupted, WHO have finally drawn a line under this fiasco of a pandemic!
Now is the time to quietly bury all the news about the damage done to so many by so few.
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Are they not injections? What is false about that statement?
More statements of fact presented without evidence. It is obvious when you do so it is because you have none. Dressing it up as 'perfectly obvious' is obvious bluster to conceal this.
The restrictions were unlawful - again you dont even try to explain how. This is not worthy of serious consideration.
And they are vaccines. Call them by their proper name. Calling them injections is an anti vax trope.
Good.
It's perfectly obvious (and always was) that the unlawful so-called "restrictions" increased deaths and didn't reduce them. Never could it have been otherwise. And the injections were not positive either.
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None of this remotely begins to prove the statements you made.
The covid death toll is still rising and the wide range of the Hong Kong flu estimate should raise a red flag on how valid it is for comparison.
It is not 6 million. That is the figure at a point in time based on confirmed case deaths. It is not established in same way as HK toll.
And that was the death toll as a function of restrictions in place especially until vaccines available.
So you are not comparing like with like. There were no such measures for HK flu or very limited ones.
"All you have to do is look" - nope it is your claim. Onus is on you to substantiate it. So such vague phrasings are weasel words, nothing more.
The Hong Kong flu is estimaterd to have killed between 1-4 million in the 1960s when the world population is half what it is today, covid according to WHO about 6 million
There is also no proof that the measures actually prevented any deaths either, they just delayed them and as for more harm than good, all you have to do is look at all the adverse events registers out there.
Was the death rate twice that of a bad flu?
You also give zero role apparently for the restrictions in mitigating the deaths until vaccines became available.
Have the restrictions been proven to have done more harm than good?
You are making a lot of statements of fact without foundation.
That post was obviously a wind up but the scary thing is that there are people out there who actually hold that opinion.
Its chilling that society allowed such people to dictate our lives and take away civil liberties so easily.
What do you expect, when someone tries to "turn it back on!"
You fishes are really biting tonight
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We're well out of the woods, so much so that the woods are barely visible in the rear view mirror through the dust kicked up by the car as we drive away from it at speed!
covid complacency...
What about flu complacency?
What about missed cancer diagnosis complacency?
What about dying on your own complacency?
What about all the things that got ignored because the world focused on one health issue to the exclusion of all the other issues that have more chance of killing you than covid???????
Let it go, you're amongst friends, it's OK to come back out into the daylight.
A 2 week lockdown in the summer to punish us for having the audacity to get back to living a normal life, eh?
Jesus wept......
Some irresponsible posting in this thread. Covid remains a threat, if you wish to deny that you are free to do so but equally this unscientific world view doesn't reflect reality. A 2 week lockdown in the summer might be the appropriate antidote to the covid complacency which has been creeping in, if only to remind people how quickly things can change. The fact that people need to be reminded of that after what we've been through is mind blowing to me. We're not out of the woods yet.
Indeed the governmental reaction was absolutely unforgiveable.
Well considering the 2017-2018 flu season was considered the most deadly in 4 decades, I'm calling bullshit on your anecdotal evidence again.
Anyone who was unfortunate enough to be in hospital around then will remember well the restrictive measures which were in place in all hospitals, and wards being locked down... but, no lockdown measures publicly.
Do you remember a public lockdown for this flu which would have been considered more deadly that the one that you took 6 weeks to get over from in the 90's, to which you said there would have been a lockdown over? If you do, do please share.
I don't really care about what you want to say about Covid, I pointed out you're talking crap with anecdotal evidence about the flu, and you backed it up with more anecdotal crap evidence.
^^ There you go, and thank you @hayrabit ! Excellently timed augmentation to my post. Somebody that had nothing to say during the pandemic & now (in hindsight) feels the Italian death count should be taken to the conspiracy theory forum. There wasn't a pandemic! Nobody died.
Hindsight is great. A pure gift.
It's now 2023, and it's unbelievable how hindsight creates educated geniuses & experts that hadn't a clue, or a word to say on boards.ie when hospital footage was beamed in from Italy in 2020 along with 1900 deaths.
Should Hindsighter be a new common noun?
"outspoken boards.ie hindsighter claims, on hindsight, there was an overreaction to the Covid virus in Ireland"
"popular hindsighter with lots of thanks on their post on boards.ie says Italy should have known better with hindsight, given what we know now"
"knowledgeable & trailblazing boarsd.ie member hindsighter jumps on to their keyboard to mock nervous 2020 elderly mask wearers who wore masks outdoors given what they know now in 2023"
Definitely not ironic.
The question is, when will Covid be over for all of you people who are continuing to post here? Serious question. Do you have date in mind? An event? What? Why are you still posting here? To what end?
A poster just up-thread mentioned the Japanese soldiers still fighting WWII years after it had ended. There's a real bang of it off this Coronavirus forum. I rarely look at them and it appears I haven't missed much at all. It's still the same people arguing over and over again over the same points. Why? I'd love to see some honest answers. All I can see is a group of people who are addicted to posting here and can't shake the habit.
Another reference. Its a sad state of affairs when a poster continues to post so much bullsh1t they have taken in from other CT sources.
That is blatant medical misinformation. You are mixing up coronaviruses as a whole and groups within it.
Covid is not considered a common cold.
From Wiki:
Coronaviruses are a group of related RNA viruses that cause diseases in mammals and birds. In humans and birds, they cause respiratory tract infections that can range from mild to lethal. Mild illnesses in humans include some cases of the common cold (which is also caused by other viruses, predominantly rhinoviruses), while more lethal varieties can cause SARS, MERS and COVID-19, which is causing the ongoing pandemic.
Possibly, but my doctor said that it was ding the rounds and usually took six weeks to recover from, If that variant of flu had been around today, chances are it would have been reacted to in the same way as the covid outbreak was this time. I'm sure that there would have been a spike in the death rate at the same time that variant went around, same as it does every time we get a bad flu season.
But don't forget that covid is a coronavirus, a virus that accounts for about 15% of all common colds, it is now considered to be a common cold.
Out of interest... do you think that someone else could have caught the flu you had, and was fine with little to no symptoms?
I guess everyone in hospital are faking it because you never had to deal with their condition.
Again zero facts zero evidence... I made specific points about covid v flu. Do you agree that covid is more infectious and more severe overall than flu? And on what basis do you do so? What is remotely cult like about that statement?
And you lecture me about blindly following with added nonsense about a cult?
Am happy to discuss masks on the masks thread. As for distancing have you forgotten the outbreaks of cases in meat factories?
The reasons we why had the restrictions were to reduce spread so that the severe cases would be on a scale healthcare could cope with.
Its an infectious disease - the authorities were clear from the outset most cases would be mild but the less vulnerable people with mild symptoms could spread it to those more vulnerable. A significant percentage of adults are in that cohort - look at hospital and ICU stats. Eg the 60 year olds with high blood pressure who pulled through ICU. And even among the other cohorts, smaller risk but many cases sends numbers to hospital needing care.
Every major health authority in the world correctly treated covid as a serious threat for that reason, of a different order to flu.
Dont even think - your words not mine. Explains a lot of what you have written.
Blindly following "the science", the same as blindly following the church or a cult, is a very bad idea.
Following "the science", backed by a pliant media, is what caused us to have our personal freedoms taken away, not to mention jobs, health services, etc, etc impacted. Those of us who dared to think outside the box knew that the pandemic wasn't all it was cracked up to be, but of course the science said otherwise and as a result got slapped back into our boxes.
There's lot to be said for gut feelings or as you are very quick to dismiss, personal experience.
If you don't see people dropping all around you, like the science & government said could or would happen, then you've every right to question the science.
And don't even think to credit the lockdowns or masks for preventing that from happening because most of the factories in the country kept running, and they're not set up for social distancing. People were still in close proximity no matter what the restrictions required, and we didn't have waves of mass deaths.
People were glad to embrace the science when it gave them a moral high ground from which to snitch on their neighbours who weren't following the restrictions to the letter, but when the science said "it's OK lads, you can have a life again" they railed against it.
"The science" was weaponised, and personal experience helped people to see the science for what it really was, a massive over reaction, especially when omicron came along and they tried to drag the arse out of the restrictions but couldn't because we could all see that nothing was happening.
The people who are still living in March 2020 are an interesting case study. Like the Japanese soldiers hiding in the woods still fighting WW2 years after it had finished.
People who dont look beyond their own narrow personal experience arent willing or capable of comprehending reality. Your attitude is anti science which explains the blatant falsehoods and misinformation you have posted on the thread about covid.
Every major health authority in the world treated covid as a more serious threat than flu. This is borne out in across all metrics - infectiousness, hospitalisations, deaths.
You demonstrated your basic ignorance about flu by being unaware it could be asymptomatic or mild like a cold. There is no way you could know this from your own personal experience. This fundamentally highlights the flawed basis for your position. It is exactly the same mistake as those who argued against smokings links to lung cancer cos they knew someone who smoked who didnt get cancer.
Your claims about flu v covid have been repeatedly and thoroughly discredited on this forum. In response you have nothing, no evidence that will convince others - only to shout you are wrong at them. The bluster in your reply is inversely proportional to any real substance.
Of course it does, I work with facts, not "ah well it didn't hurt me so everyone else must be lying"
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