Isn’t their only full BEV to date an SUV type thing with only about 200km range, and possibly less in the real world?
Strange a 18 Kwh phev only doing 30 km also strange only a 50 litre tank in it, the pain and the wasted time spent at petrol stations.
It looks nice all the same.
Yeah and then they slapped a range extender on it and made the battery smaller 😂
I wouldn't mind so much if it was a hatchback for €25k or less like what the market could use
But it starts at €42k after grants, could just about get an ID.4 or Model Y for that price
IIRC it's a bit of a chunky yolk, similar size to a RAV4 and probably got the drag coefficient of a parachute
Ironman goes electric.
Kinnegad, supermacs, 2 existing easygo. 4 new plynths today. Might be easygo, maybe not! Anyone found planning or heard rumours?
Hard to guess with the Plaza Group, they seem to prefer eCars for most of their recent partnerships.
The more the merrier….
Seems like we’re finally at the pace of rollout that the number of cars on the roads warranted (a year ago)….
still though.. you love to finally see multi unit hubs being rolled out…
Don't get too excited, knowing our luck it'll be a bunch of AC chargers 😭
Still, the Plaza group seem to be a bit ahead of the curve on EV charging. I think the Ecars site at Tuam with those two Delta units is a Plaza group site, and that's probably the Best Ecars site around
Still, the Plaza group seem to be a bit ahead of the curve on EV charging.
Perhaps by Irish standards, but we are way behind the curve compared to many of our neighbours.
True, we've got such bad Stockholm syndrome that we'll celebrate 4 chargers 😕
LOL
4 physical unit's is the current limit for the planning exemption. Should mean sites for up to 8 cars can be rolled out pretty easily.
Nice to see an Irish company winning in the EV world.
€50 million to convert 8,500 mining vehicles to electric, with more to come hopefully
That works out at about €5,882 per vehicle…. Fair play to them if they can do it at that price….
I’d give them my 3 Series to convert for that price!!
The good ole Bam pricing method is alive and well😡
It doesn’t seem plausible by any stretch.
You wouldn’t buy the motor for that not to mind everything else and labour etc.
Theres a zero missing or it only includes labour or something.
If there was a market for these vehicles would the manufacturer not be making them, there was only one big truck I remember reading about, it went uphill empty and came down hill with a load, with regen it produced more than it needed, I would imagine a very niche application in a hand full of mine sites.
The guy is full of it, figures are all wrong, some of these trucks would be assembled at the mine, not ship them here to Wicklow for a refit, look at the size of the wheels, look at the ladder just to get on the bloody thing. Why is it that collision avoidance can only be fitted to electrics, afraid of running over the saved penguins and polar bears that will over populate the earth?
It just occurred to me, it going to be hybrid, 1.4 kWh battery and a small motor bolted on somewhere.
It's some deal alright, I'm guessing it's more like an initial investment, for example the €50 million is to setup the conversion facility. Or it's €50 million for the initial batch
There are manufacturers getting on board with electrification of construction vehicles
It's probably worth remembering that the usual economics of conversion versus replacement are different here. Heavy equipment like this isn't exactly mass produced and is probably kept going to 20-30 years because it's cheaper to fix it than replace it
So an electric conversion would then make much more economic sense in this case, particularly if you got an insanely good deal out of some dumb Irish company who didn't price the work correctly
Aren't some of these big machines sort of electric driven to begin with, with the diesel engine basically being a generator for electric motors? So the conversion could be replacing the diesel engine and driving existing electric motors?
I think that's trains, although it's quite possible that some mining vehicles are also diesel electric or some diesel hybrid
If that's the case then it would make any conversion a lot simpler, just slap some batteries and charging system instead of the diesel engine
First link is diesel, 2nd is diesel electric, nearly same horse power/kW in each @ 2600 kW, I cannot see anything more than a token sized battery going into them.
3.5 to 5 million dollars each, 20 year life span.
Yeah they're a bit ambiguous on how they define the conversion. So I'm worried you might be right that it's the giant dumper truck version of a mild hybrid
Apparently those big hybrid mega dumpster trucks regen the whole way down into the pit, which puts most of if not all of the juice back into them to get them back up out of the pit/mine…
3.5-5 mil is that the price of the conversion?
Them machines are expensive.
Could be 100k for a single tyre.
Also a lot of the loading diggers/shovels/dragline things are run on a tethered electric cable.
Aarron Witt has a YouTube channel if anyone is interested in that sort of equipment
The source article mentions a contract to convert 8,500 vehicles for €50 million, which is a few thousand per vehicle
The debate is whether that's a mistake, or the first in a series of payments, or if the "electric vehicle" isn't really an electric vehicle
Personally I'd be expecting something closer to several hundred thousand per vehicle. If the expected service life is 20 years, then it's possible the vehicles for conversion are already at the end of their life
That would make sense because as long as you can come in a good bit cheaper than the cost of a new vehicle then conversion is the better option
I would not say this is a dumb Irish company. They are linked to electric classic cars in Wales who convert classic cars to electric and have a 3 year waiting list. They have an team in enniskerry working on EVs, so they should at least be able to understand the problems.
That said the sums don't line up. It may be a trial, I expect they will link up with suppliers of a kit suitable to power the unit, as in a battery, motor and inverter/ charger.
After 20 years them machines are not just scrapped after that, they are too valuable to do that.
They are brought back to the main frame and rebuilt/reconditioned, roll out as new again.
Completely defying the laws of physics... Empty truck going downhill uses the same amount of energy as a fully laden truck going uphill, my applied maths lecturer was wrong all this time as was Issac Newton.
There was one electric dumpster truck that was fully laden going down a hill and empty on the way up and actually gained enough energy from regen to power it's way back up the hill
That was more down to an accident of geography, it was servicing a quarry up a mountain or something
So unless we can somehow conveniently teleport all mineral deposits to the tops of hill then it's probably not a widely applicable solution
Having said that, I imagine the brakes on those yolks get a lot of work so you'd probably get some serious amount of energy back from regen.
And unlike trucks there's no real advantage to not using regen and gliding down the hill since you're stopping at the bottom anyway. Plus I'm not sure I'd ever want to work with the guy who tries freewheeling one of those dumper trucks down a winding dirt path in a quarry or mine
