For killing it's reputation right up at the top, 7.62x39 guaranteed to drop anything in front of it,
All this training on Nato systems seems a bit like a back door entry to Nato.Is that a way to look at it?
A good clear and concise description of SA's Russian "dilemma"
"South Africa and the limits of having it both ways
Pretoria wants to be both a democracy with a progressive constitution and a friend to dictators"
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Only yesterday the Dutch said they are not sending any of their F16s to Ukraine,
It is true that Russia's word is ,for now in the toilet and all that is preventing its expansionism is its own sense of the limits of what is possible under this present regime.
Even historically we can cast a very jaundiced eye on its behaviour over the past century.
Sure they are questioning the military industrial complexes.. they never stop. But the questions are all along the line of " when are you going to build a manufacturing complex in my City???
It's clear now, it's not a question of if, but when F-16's will be handed over to Ukraine.
Better ask Putin, he's the one who is trying to take it over, Ukrainians are just defending their territory
If it is, GOOD. The only thing guaranteed to stop Putin dead in his tracks immediately!!!!
Who would have thunk that there is a corruption in Russia! Shocking news 😜
Seriously though, it's probably a sign of the internal in-fighting between power clans in Russia. Hopefully, they would concentrate on that and leave Ukraine altogether.
I dont know Gatling, I have used AK 47 in my military service decades ago and recently was trained on H&K G36 and M16. I felt both would make nicer holes in orcs than AK47. G36 only problem I felt was it is overheating faster.
It's actually not ,so far three of the coalition wanting F16s two Poland and Holland have said no we're not going to send ours ,the UK have none , nobody else is Stepping out and saying here our aircraft,lip service and training is the only thing that they can do,and it's not new earlier in the year several posters got very excited that the UK Said they're going to send aircraft,now we're back to oh yeah we're going to train some pilots on aircraft that neither country Operate and send them back to Ukraine without any aircraft,
Realistically Ukraine could be looking at a 5 year+ Wait for F16s , even now they would make little or no difference to the war , essentially an cold war relic which would be prone to anti aircraft systems and even at that how effectively could they operate them with minimum training,it's not a missle system that doesn't require much human input or something like a javelin which could be learned in half a day
To be fair, the "shots in the arms" occurred during the next administration after the ball was dropped post election due to an overly narcissistic leader (and that it was a European company that had the first vaccine approval that wasn't even part of "warp speed"). A lot of the delays in Europe came down to the overly bureaucratic approval process vs. the UK and US.
In either case, this is the "cheapest" war the US has ever had to fund to completely castrate another superpower, even the biggest idiots in the GQP see that (though they might publicly say otherwise just to be contrarian, their votes say something else).
I don't get it, i've been reading and hearing for months now that Russia is running out of missiles but the attacks seem relentless on a nightly basis now. Thankfully the majority of missiles are being shot down but it seems odd they've be using up whatever little stock they have knowing this. Are they really that stupid or was the lack of missiles line just spin. Do western intelligence agencies really know Russia's stockpiles or is it just bad guess work.
Absolute rank amateurs!
Note the date.
Possible that some of these missiles are decoys mixed in with actual missiles to help them get passed the AA
Sounds like a "good" excuse for a purge, one wonders if the war went well in Ukraine would this have ever seen the light of day
Anything h&k is better built and more refined, better ergonomics , accurate,
The ak is still a killing machine even in the hands of anyone regardless of what training or lack of any training at all they received,
I've only got to shoot a g36 k at range lovely clean design and ergonomics , straight shooting, never got a do full auto dumps though to feel any kind of excessive heating issues,
I know there was some compliants about over heating during an extended fire fight in Afghanistan,some said it was the gun itself others blamed the trunion design others claim the issues were caused by poor quality German ammunition,now the Germans have pulled it got the lastest h&k 416A5 ,a better modern M16
Oddly enough the most reliabe weapon tested in the US weapon testing over the last 20 years was the h&k XM8 which the US dropped despite being the better weapon than others designs including various AR 15 platforms during the OICW trials
They must be desperate to hit those patriot systems if they are the only ones that can take down their hypersonic missiles.
If they took out even one it would be a victory ,even if only Pyrrhic.
It would be a propaganda coup for the Russians it would be the same of western aircraft arrived in Ukraine,the first one lost or several lost would be a huge propaganda coup for the Russians,
when Russia blow up anything of significance to Ukrainian after losing 10x the amount themselves on the same day
Both the quality of the missiles and quantity have been dropping continually, Ukraine's ability to intercept and shoot them down has been increasing all the time as well.
russia has a lot of dumb missiles they can keep on using but their impact on the battlefield is very low (hence targeting non-military targets so often).
We all note the desperation while you watch russia crapulate itself and watch it's best equipment fail comprehensively against NATO equipment.
What this also means (and the russian plebs haven't realised it yet) is that NATO will now have a comprehensive strategy for dealing with russian ICBM and other nuclear armed devices that they couldn't really test before Ukraine. Undoubtedly that's what has allowed NATO to supply Ukraine with the level of equipment it has and will keep on upping the ante while russia renders it's military machine completely irrelevant, that it was the corruption which Ukraine was moving away from (and precipitated the war as they lost influence) that has rendered their military so inert vs the west is poetic (this was already seen with the panic they showed when any missiles go off target near NATO allies).
China will also be taking note.
I knew it !!!
9/11 was just a ruse to deploy Microsoft Sharepoint and BI across multiple industries by the 2020's
@astrofool What this also means (and the russian plebs haven't realised it yet) is that NATO will now have a comprehensive strategy for dealing with russian ICBM and other nuclear armed devices that they couldn't really test before Ukraine.
Where are you getting that idea from,as it stands there's no system currently operational that can effectively counter ICBMs,the only new tech the Ukrainans got wa the various drones and loitering munitions,
Everything else has been used for decades and across multiple conflicts
Someone who has better knowledge than you disagrees.
I'll repeat, it's not a question of, but a question of when Ukraine get F-16 fighter jets.
It's self-evident because what a country says today, will not be what a country says tomorrow. Germany's rhetoric when it came to their Tanks should be proof of that.
Tanks and F16s are totally different,
For instance there's only 3000 leopard tanks in Europe, Ukraine and getting 100 or so tanks from,
The Germans said that for them to send their tanks others had to agree to send theres , currently nobody is saying we will send out F16s it other's send there's,
That like placing a bet each way so come away with something,
No European countries have committed to sending F16s or F18s or typhoons or Gripens , even the Americans have said they wouldn't make a difference while at the same time telling us jets barely make the top 10 list of what the Ukrainans are actually asking for,
essentially an cold war relic
Ah come off it ffs, it's not like Ukraine would be given 1st gen F16's.
There are things called upgrades. Maybe you consider the Patriots, Leopards, Abrams, Challengers, M270's & Bradley's as cold war relics?
It's the patriot is a Cold war relic why aren't F16s which are heading to 5 decade old and alot older than patriots
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