Reportedly it was a chemical plant where old ICBM rockets were to be decommissioned and hundreds of tons of rocket fuel were stored. Possibly ammunition was stored there also, at this stage I've seen countless strikes on ammo dumps.
Ukraine likely has hundreds of ammo dumps, if not thousands, why would you assume a strike on one ends a counter offensive?
I think some people are underestimating the sheer quantity of ammunition that would be used in a counter-offensive and overestimating the importance of losing one ammo dump.
No .
If Russia bombs and missles keep coming it's the people who will start asking questions, comparison to the blitz doesn't come close ,
Still not good if true, but storing unstable munitions at a military explosives and propelants plant doesn't seem like the best of ideas, other than isolation and security would already pertain to the site.
It's not losing losing one ammunition dump Being significant,but losing a single large ammunition dump before a big counter offensive is to start and a publicised ammunition Shortage, but if Russia has the co-ordinace of other dumps this could cause panic, Which the Ukrainans would need to start moving ammunition to prevent this happening again
Also stories of 500 soldiers, 10 armoured vehicles, howitzers etc where on the train.
I have to disagree. Its exactly the same as the blitz. It reinforces the general population against the aggressor. It reminds them of the he cost of losing.
It also shows the poor quality of the Russian military. It's highlights there inability to strike at small targets. Generally it shows that there targeting is a blunt instrument and has not pinpoint accuracy.
Russia has shown an inability to hit with pinpoint accuracy military targets. A chemical plant producing explosives will have these stored in various stores in the plant. It will also have different chemicals in different stores that are required to to make different explosive types.
There is nothing we have yet seen that indicates that Russia has the ability to accurately pinpoint targets. They would know the exact location and positioning of an explosive plant compared to ammunition dumps. It highly unlikely that the UA is using old arms dumps that Russia know the location of. An explosive production facility is not easily moved
What is amazing is it took them so long to take it out. You would have imagined that a facility like that would have been hit early in the conflict. There is no record that such plants have been consistently hit over the last 12 months.
It much easier to take out electrical infrastructure they structurally larger and hitting the infrastructure anywhere will reduce it ability to produce or distribute power.
This war is only going one way and the offensivie will show that when it happens.
Sure, its not ideal and could be a portend of more problems. It is most certainly not going to end notions of a counter offensive though, that's just silly.
Though equally I wouldn't rule out sheer dumb luck on the Russian's part as they don't have much of a track record of accurate targeting.
Helping Ukraine is helping yourself.
@Bass Reeves I have to disagree. Its exactly the same as the blitz. It reinforces the general population against the aggressor. It reminds them of the he cost of losing..
The difference between the blitzkrieg of London was the British had the spirit of knowing that if Hitler bombs us our boys will be hitting him where it hurts ,they were already were fighting over the skies an they also had daily reports of British victories, something we're not seeing in Ukraine,
This thing about an old chemical plant has come from a single tweet that's been parroted by other accounts we still don't know what was hit , but whatever they hit it was significant
Along with Zelensky and the Ukraine cabinet...
I never said it would stop the counter offensive,but it could cause issues if the Ukrainans have to evacuate and move munitions further into ukraine for protection,
They haven't hit anything significant with with missles military wise ,I still believe that they are purposely hitting civilian population and infrastructure in the hopes the people who start turning on the government,
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If only the Ukrainians would stop defending their country then there would be "peace" according to all the lunatics
No and I never said you did, kermit did.
If that is their strategy they are fools with woeful understanding of history. I don't know why you are so resistant to historical comparisons, but even your argument against comparisons to the Blitz completely fails when applied to the carpet bombing of Germany and Japan.
Likewise though, things weren't all sunshine and light during the blitz. There was significant amounts of complaining and unrest and undoubtedly anger. What it didn't do was come anywhere close to causing a change in sentiment regarding the war.
Bakhmut has now held until May. Last goal would be victory day so 9 more days.
Against that argument ( which I'd agree with normally) but with Russia its different because they treated the populations of any Ukrainian territory they held with unbelievable atrocities. So for the Ukrainian population there's not much choice. Fight, defend and maybe die, or definitely die. The Ukrainians are under no illusions where Putin is concerned, and what living under his control would mean for them.
This was one of the reasons quoted in the beginning by the US/EU that if they allowed their supplied weapons to hit Russia, it would strengthen Putin's position by rallying the Russian population around him, and thus be counter effective. ( there were others too, but this was the main one)
And of course, Russia has never held a referendum that they did not control and know the results of beforehand.
The Russians will not bomb the Ukrainians into submission, not a fuc*ing chance. If u think otherwise you don't know the people of that part of the world one teeny tiny little bit.
That's something I believe too, amunition dumps, airstrips, barracks etc in Russia, grand blow the sh*t out of them, but civilians no way, the cost could be the actual end of Ukraine for a few generations (though they will never destroy the idea of a free Ukraine whatever happens).
Well, this is what spooked the Russians into moving their assets far from within Ukrainian artillery ranges. And I'd say that the Ukrainian military would be at least ahead of the game with regards to this aspect of the war, I hope so anyway.
This is why I respect your posts , while we generally are 98% in agreement on things it's not a Big issue not to agree 100% of the time ,
Sure, as it should be!!! 😎
Train derailment in byransk, apparently the work of partizan
Some footage of the massive explosion from last night in Pavlograd.
I remember the reports of it was going to fall any day now from months ago.
No idea if it will survive long term but what the Ukrainian forces have done there is nothing short of brilliant.
Putin must be hopping mad that Bakhmut still hasn't been captured, nor likely to be any time soon.
At this stage you’d think the likely application would be to halt the Russian advance by hitting targets in the Ukraine border. Staging the missiles well inside the Ukraine lines.
The problem is it more or less has fallen bar a few streets and despite the Russian losses they keep moving forward,
There was even a suggestion if they took it completely then putin could announce victory on the 9th for the smo
Has there been an official acknowledgment about the attack on Pavlograd yet ,and what was hit ,
We've seen some random tweets from less than reliable sources saying it was only old rockets and fuel.
But nothing official
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