Chinese electric car brand BYD to enter Irish market this year (breakingnews.ie)
Not sure what happened there...'Build Your Dream Seal' is even worse😂😂
Good questions which I can't answer. They were all definitely Hans though. It doesn't make much sense to bring a full truck to Ireland if they have no intention of launching it
What's the warranty on the Atto3?
Maybe they wanted to show what they are capable of.
For those interested I took a swing by MSL Mercedes in Little Island, Cork this morning and there was no sign of any BYD action.
I looked at this car last Saturday in MSL Navan Rd. It is (I think) gorgeous on the inside even if the guitar strings is a bit gimmicky! I would struggle with the "build your dreams" on the arse of the car, but not a dealbreaker tbh. I'm more concerned with how it feels to drive and how comfortable it is. I've been waiting for the prices to come out, and the garage is supposed to be ringing me today with a trade-in offer on my car and to discuss prices. Hoping to take it out on a test drive this Saturday.
This will be my first EV purchase if I go for it. I'm currently deciding between this or a Toyota CH-R. I've been driving a hybrid Auris for 10 years and loved it. Besides the nerves around going fully electric (which are large!), I am nervous about buying a brand new entry into the market. I worry about costs to repair if anything happened due to potential short supply of parts etc. Also servicing costs and resale values.
EDIT: MSL rang and I'm booked in for a test drive next Wed. However, the prices they quoted are significantly different than the brochure that was linked earlier and the article in today's Indo: €40k for the comfort model (€37,596 in the brochure & article) and €41k for the design (€38,964 in the brochure & article). They have no active (entry level) models. I think this may be beyond my budget, it would bring the price €5,500 more than the CH-R.
From the article below - whilst it relates to the UK, obviously it will apply to Ireland also being RHD. Looks like we'll have to wait for the next gen versions of the Han and Tang.
In Europe, BYD will also sell its Han saloon and Tang SUV, both of which have 510bhp dual-motor powertrains. The Han has a maximum WLTP range of 324 miles while the Tang can cover 250 miles. Sadly, we won’t get either of those cars in the UK, as they’re based on the brand’s previous-generation e-Platform 2.0 which isn’t compatible with right-hand drive layouts.
The Atto 3 is based on BYD’s latest e-Platform 3.0, introduced in 2021.
The CH-R will make it back on fuel, services , etc
don’t just compare sticker price
Has anyone spoken to msl and asked why they've included the extra charge and then point out that metallic is meant to be included?
It's usually 1500 for dealer/delivery and there is some room to negotiate that down. But over 2k is steep.
They will be opening a dealer in Cork in May so next month sometime.
In fairness, the BYD website has the design spec as €40,949 so 41k would be the right price.
It's €38946 on the brochure. The €40949 price is the post gouging MDL price.
1350 for the ID4 including an optional service pack or €1000 without service pack.
Dealer delivery = a wash and fitting reg plates.
Ive always screwed them down on this, although the last new car I got was just before the pandemic and subsequent supply shortages resulting in dealers not doing discounts.
Well there is admin shipping and trucking cost tbf its not just wash and fitting reg. But 2 grand plus is mad.
I visited BYD south Dublin today for a look. They said the Han will be launched here in December, also the dolphin and seal should be launched in August. They confirmed the truck of Hans I saw on the M4 were press cars that were on the way to the K club
Not a valid argument to someone with a set current budget though.
People may be able to absorb costs when spread out as opposed to front loading. MSL price gouging to above 40k will, I feel, make people reconsider their options
Had a test drive on Saturday and the car is nice but I do think they're priced a little high and there was no budging on the price at all. At that price I'd probably go with a Model 3 over it, I'm not a fan of Tesla but it has better range and performance, and imo, looks better.
The sales person said the Seal will be in the 60s, that's mad money for what is their Model 3 rival.
The Seal that is planned for our market probably falls in between the standard model 3 and the LR. Close to the LR in range but closer to the RWD in power/motor configuration.
60k would be very expensive compared to a model 3.
Does anyone know what an Atto 3 and a Seal cost in other markets for comparison.
There is a Han and a Dolphin and a Tang on display in the navan road BYD dealer.
Chinese market prices:
BYD Atto 3 base model: €18,332
BYD Seal base model: €28,512 €24,999
Tesla Model 3 base: €30,920
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Model 3 base in Ireland: €56,978 €40,332 so any €60k+ BYD Seal is unlikely to be the base model.
A base Model 3 here is €40,332, pretty much same price as the Atto.
Checked Tesla Irish website and looks like you are correct. I got the figure from Carzone, they are way out of date.
So a massive rip off bringing it up to the 3 Base, when you see the difference in China
Price cut on the BYD Seal today in China,bringing it to €24,999
We'll have european pricing Aug/Sept and between the Seal and the (smaller) MG4 there should finally be proper competition to the Model 3, that is to say EVs with good performace, that are not SUVs or hugely overpriced.
Yup. Sure, aren't we good for it?
Just shows you the nice margins available on EVs despite the manufacrurers' line that margins are squeezed to the limits and without Govt subsidies they would have no flexibility to reduce prices to make EVs more affordable. The reality is of course that taxpayer money is been used to unnecessarily supplement manufacturers profitability rather than reduce the high prices necessary to cover the high manufacturing cost of EVs.
In that context its interesting to hear Polestar offering to reduce the price of an over grant threshold car by the value of the grant. Seems unusual for a company selling on the margin to be so generous with shareholder funds. Be great when a realistic competitive market finally exists for EVs
Only Tesla and BYD are really making money from EVs, from what I read, they had scope for price cuts.
Polestar are still lossmaking and just announced a 10% workforce cut, they are hoping to be profitable by 2025.
No doubt there will be corporate casualties in the EV transition, I'd like to be able to buy from a company that will still be around to support the vehicle in a few years.
Ahh but you can get an ID3 for 43k and the Golf is 43k in the same spec, see EV's are competitive, sure an ID4 is same price as RAV4, who can't afford a 60k Jeep?
But that 20k Fabia, Polo, Fiat 500 you like, they can't be 20k in EV form, they 40k too :) Buy an 8 year old Leaf with 30mins of driving range instead
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