How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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That may be the case but it's also the case that the portal is the only way of doing it. Instructions are also available on the portal.
No, it's fact. If the person wants the bank details changed, they need to do it online. Just like if they want to see a payslip. No account is taken for 100 year old retirees (there are some )or people who just don't want to do it and are quiet capable.
Yeh im really not buying that. There is plenty of help. Colleagues will also help. I know the type of person you are talking about and id bet their lack of "ict skills" isnt their only deficit.
"Computers" and "Technology" are around for the guts of two decades in most areas (more in certain areas) and are a key tool used in most workplaces since then. Indeed they are a key tool in general life nowadays.
While I can appreciate that someone who has never had to work using technology and who is going up in years, may not be technologicly literate, you couldn't use the same rationale for someone who has been in a workplace for the past two decades doesn't know how to log into a portal to update bank information.
(I never knew life with a home computer BTW, same for many of my peers and indeed those a lot older than us - but we try not use it as an excuse)
I am not familiar with every pay portal out there, but they really aren't that hard to navigate generally.
I currently work with plenty people of similar age to me who have worked in the same organisation for twenty years and constantly say "I am not the best with these new computers - you know me etc" - 20 years plus working with them and never having decided to improve their lot - it's not like training isn't available!
My Dad canbt even use a smart phone. I dont think he has ever sent a text message in his life.
I know lots of older people who get flustered at the thought of having to do anything on the internet. Then scared out of their wits that anything asking them to put in personal details could be some sort of scam.
I know lots of older people now who dont travel out of the country unless they have a relative or someone who can book tickets for them. One old lady even gets the train into Dublin coty center to get one of the few remnaining travel agents to help her when she needs to book a ticket to the UK to visit her sister.
It can be overwhelming for them.
What age would they be like? Have they just shunned technology for a full 30 years? Anyone still workin in an office environment claiming they cant log on to an online pay portal is lying.
Thats ok if they've never been in a workplace for the past 25 years that has technology as the key tool in use.
There are people in their 40's, 50s and 60's who have worked using technology as a tool for decades at this point yet look for sympathy or to blame someone else when they need to do something with technology.
Looking at wider life, occupations whereby technology wasn't a traditional tool, have been drasticilly changed with technology use also - farming being a key one that comes to mind - everything is online nowadays.
While I appreciate there are lots of people who aren't "good" with technology there are an awful lot of people who only have themselves to blame at this point.
Age in their 70's. Not everyone works or worked in an office.
I dont think its a stetch to say that some people need help with technology, especially if they are older.
Some of these people would run rings around the rest of us if it came to fixing leaking taps or changing radiators or chaning a baring on a car wheel, making a dress etc.
Not everyone has every skill. I think its nice to want to help people out when you can do something they cant.
Tbf the original conversation was in relation to a current civil servant. Someone who is in their 70s and needs help with technology absolutely understandable.
A current civil servant assuming they should never have to use technology if they don't want to is a huge difference though. There are plenty of civil servants who use the "not good with technology" line to avoid doing work as much as possible.
That's fair enough but I thought we were talking about a not yet retired office worker? Basic computer literacy is not a skill that any current office worker should not possess, I'd barely classify it as a skill - logging on to a portal with a username and password and inputting your IBAN, I mean jaysis.
Fair enough. Does he have any helpful colleagues?
How is logging into a portal tech savvy? Fair enough anyway in that individuals case.
Then Im sure his managers or you could assist him.
Eh you came out in your last post and said the fella has brain damage, think everyone on this thread would happily help him. You appear to be the only **** on here.
With respect Dohvolle, your original post on this insinuated the issue with the person was their age/not coming from an age of computers on the home, then it's an acquired brain injury that's the issue, now it's remote work(I gotta be honest, a person with the myriad of issues you describe would do well to work remotely in the first instance.
You look to making excuses as you go along for this 'person'.
And back to public sector pay...
If inflation follows the latest projections and drops over the rest of the year, I think another 2 / 3 % increase in 2024 would be great.
Don't get to stressed about it anyway.
And so it begins...
Any talk from teachers about the struggles of Dublin schools should be quickly shot down after their stunt at the Conferences this week.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/post-primary-teacher-union-leader-pours-cold-water-on-dublin-allowance-idea-42431748.html
A teachers’ union leader has thrown cold water on the idea of paying a “Dublin allowance” as a way of compensating teachers for working in areas where housing costs are high.
Seems like the risk to education of school-going Dublin children could be used as a pawn
It would be better to give all teachers a pay rise.
Just as I and others have always suspected. Dublin cost of living used to leverage pay for everyone, with the majority of teachers living in relatively lower cost regions to benefit.
Show how much teachers care about the education Dublin school children get when this is more important than trying to retain teachers in the city:
It's unequal pay again. It's playing one group against another
It's not difficult to figure out, they have more members outside of Dublin than within it.
That Dublin thing will never work , it should but it won't , people are too selfish. Also no chance of one group of civil/public servants getting it.
Behind a pay wall any one have it
I’d have no problem if low paid public sector workers such as Clerical staff got a ‘Dublin allowance’ if based in the capital. However, I wouldn’t categorise newly qualified teachers with full time hours as low paid.
What is that pay roughly? 45k? It's low paid for Dublin tbh! But yeah they lower pay Dublin allowance might have a chance of working.
42,015, as of 01.03.2023
Newly qualified accountants, with similar qualifications, are starting on 55,500.
That's 32% more.
You’re not wrong on 45k being low for Dublin, but the civil service scales start at something like 27k for Clerical staff and 33k for Executive officers. No idea how anyone in the Dublin region could survive on that these days without either living with their parents or in a grotty house share.
And that's what's wrong with the whole system - people being forced to live with their parents or in a grotty house share.
This applies to both private and public sectors - the people most in demand in cities are the service providers who are normally those who cannot afford accommodation. I don't want to go on a tangent but can't investment be made in ending the charade of property being only available to the exceptionally wealthy?
To retain guards, teachers, nurses, young doctors as well as staff in the private services industry the gov really need to make options available to make a life in Dublin/Cork/Galway possible without having to resort to being stuck in a room in a shared house.
Why did you not include the payments for supervision and marking of exams?
Doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to spin?
Is that a guaranteed payment ?
Yes. Have you not heard of the shortage of staff the SEC faces every year?
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